Monday, January 10, 2011

Stay Classy

Tea Party Express tries to exploit the Arizona shootings for fund-raising.

Do I need to say anything?

Posted by Steve Sinai

This weekend we all were horrified to hear the news of the violent shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and several others in Arizona.
One thing that surprised us was how many in the news media and liberal political figures and organizations immediately launched into an attack on the tea party movement - assigning blame for the shooting to our grass roots, Constitutionalist movement in general, and Gov. Sarah Palin in particular.
Friends, this is outrageous.
It is quite clear that liberals are trying to exploit this shooting for their own political benefit, and they used deception and dishonesty to try and smear all of us and our beliefs.
You know what the truth is?  The truth is that the shooter, Jared Loughner is the one responsible for this atrocity.  But liberals are trying to place the blame on society for embracing the tea party movement.
We here at the Tea Party Express find that disgusting and revolting.
This isn't a new concept for liberals.  Let us harken back to the words of Ronald Reagan when he called out the Left for similar behavior in years past
"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."
- Ronald Reagan
If Jared Loughner does have a definable political ideology it is that of a far Left anarchist.  Loughner is a mentally disturbed young man who sought his ideological fulfillment from the Communist Manifesto - hardly the Bible of the Tea Party movement. He posted videos of flag burning on his YouTube channel - again, antics more consistent with Blame America First liberals, not the tea party movement.
In fact, Loughner's interactions with Congresswoman Giffords date all the way back to 2007 when he confronted her with a question he had, and received an answer he found unacceptable.  You read that right - Loughner's interactions with Congresswoman Giffords date back to 2007 - well before the tea party movement had even been launched.
This was all an effort to try and demean us and diminish support for the tea party movement, since the Left could not beat us at the ballot box.  Sadly way too many people in the media cooperated with this smear campaign.
The media didn't tell you that the left-wing website, DailyKos, had targeted Congresswoman Giffords, putting a BULLSEYE on her, did they?  But that's just what happened.
Instead they tried to blame Gov. Sarah Palin.  Friends, their hypocrisy and double standards are appalling.
This kind of media bias is a large part of why our tea party movement exists - because the voices of We The People have not been represented fairly by the news media, and listened to by our elected officials.
Well guess what:  to those liberals in the news media and on the political Left who think you can silence us, you are wrong!  Your efforts to try and smear us and shut us up will fail.
We have nothing to do with this awful, tragic event in Arizona.  Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords and the victims and families of this massacre.
But we will still fight just as passionately for this country we love, and the vision of our Founding Fathers as outlined by the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
We're taking our country back through the ballot box and in the public square - through peaceful means.  And we will prevail, because our ideas and ideals are stronger than the scare/smear/defame tactics of the leftists we face.
We ask you to please stand with the Tea Party Express and show your support for our efforts.
You can make a contribution online right now to the Tea Party Express - CLICK HERE TO CONTRIBUTE.
As always, if you prefer, you may also make a contribution via mail, by sending a check to:
Tea Party Express
8795 Folsom Boulevard, Suite 103
Sacramento, CA 95826-3720


Anonymous said...

Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”

** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”

** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m an...gry!”

** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”

** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“

** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”

** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”

** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”

** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight."

Anonymous said...

Check this out.

Anonymous said...

Judge McCarthy also killed and a threat to Obamacare ruled against the president.

Anonymous said...

And, final final.Democrats/Liberal/Progressives call for Sarah Palin to be killed. What I will never forget - John Maybury's blog. He allowed so much hate speech against Palin and McCain (who was forced to show his BC, by hussein) But, NO! No one could say anything wrong about our COMMUNIST PRESIDENT HUSSEIN! Reap what you sow.

Steve Sinai said...

The point of the original post wasn't to place blame on conservatives or liberals. It was to point out the crassness of the Tea Party Express in trying to to take advantage of the situation to make a buck.

From what I can tell, the guy who did the shooting was more of a mental case than a political ideologue.

George Soros said...

Liberal group seeking political contributions -- capitalizing financially on the Arizona shooting tragedy.

Lacky for the Left said...

Gabby should not have voted against Pelosi. See what happens when you piss off G.S.

Steve Sinai said...

Wingnut in action.

The Right said...

1. "Whose ass to kick"

2. "Bring a gun to a knife fight"

3. "Argue with neighbors, get in their face"

4. "I don't want to quell anger…I'm angry"

5. "Get out of the way"

6. "Gearing up for a fight"

7. "Hit back twice as hard"

8. "The police acted stupidly"

9. "They drove the car into the ditch and they want the keys back? NO!"

10. "My grandmother acted like a typical white person"

And, the hypocritical, duplicitous, Liberal/Marxist media had the balls to call G.W. Bush a COWBOY???!!!

Hail to the "community organizer" from the streets of Chicago. The friend of home-grown terrorists Bill Ayers & Bernadine Dorin, and the black liberation minister Rev. Jeremiah Wright…he's a reverend just as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are reverends.

The Right said...

Soros’s donation to Media Matters suggests that intimidating journalists who dare to question his vision is now a top priority for Soros. Come down on the wrong side of an issue and risk being labeled ignorant or evil by the smear website. Say that tax cuts lead to economic prosperity, and you’re attacked. Criticize illegal immigration, and you’re attacked. Say affirmative action is racist and discriminatory, and you are called a racist.

Steve Sinai said...

Wingnut in the house.

Kathy Meeh said...

Steve, it does seem that "everyone" reads Fix Pacifica" after all.

Wingnuts, I received a daily update from right-wing Republican/Tea Party today, the headlines of which I'll share with you and others who are more rational.

Classmate: Loughner was 'left-wing pothead'
Liberal Daily Kos had targeted Giffords for defeat.
LeBoutiller: "Don't blame the Tea Party"
Armey: "Tea Party won't stand down after shooting.
Special: "The Tea Party set to tear down DC establishment."

1. The deflection: "Giffords was targeted for defeat". No, she was a rising star. But, the Newsmax headline implication is that its okay that she was shot because the Democrats would have thrown her away anyhow. Never mind, all those people (including Rep. Giffords) wounded and dead, their families affected, if they live their life path changed, the pending fear to all civic leaders as well as those who assemble to hear them.

2. Group justification: "don't blame us!" Right-wing/Republican/Tea Party/media with heated rhetoric and the National Rifle Association lobbyists are not accountable?

3. Individual "not us" justification: Loughner was a 'left-wing pothead'. Is this statement even correct (and if so who cares)?. But, Laughner's website was anti-government, included right-wing and Nazi images. Of course, he was also aggressive and crazy-- where was the intervention and solutions to prevent prior?

4. Right-wing leadership. Dick Army hiding under a banner of being a "good (unloving as usual) Christian" comments. And, in the shadow of this tragedy and against reflective contrition, he said "we won't stand down". Score: Sensitivity and accountability zero.

5. The right-wing incident disconnect. The Newsmax special report today: "Tearing down Washington". Need anyone say more?

Is there something wrong with your humanity and sense of what is just, dimwitted Wingnuts? Some of you "bible thumpers" even forgot the core Christian love message.

The Right said...

If it were not so dangerous, it would be ridiculous; that is, that George Soros refers to himself as “the messianic conscience of the world.” He doesn’t believe in God, so he made himself one. Whatever works!

I often wonder where he gets his money. He puts enormous amounts of money behind news stations and newspapers.

He wants to own entire countries, and ours is next. What he’s going to do with them, God only knows, so I guess Soros does.

I think his intent is evil, and he needs to be watched. I have thought this for 20 years; however, he is now being brought out into the light and that always weakens the power of the darkness.

Kathy Meeh said...

Yes, its clear enough you're defective pod 8:17 pm.

Disappointed said...

I had hoped that a reasoned political forum would result from Anon being 86'ed sometime before Christmas. I guess no luck there. The above seems to be much the usual paranoid/hate as before.

Anonymous said...

Disappointed is a George Soros lacky.

Unknown said...

Heard that Bernie Sanders is also using the Arizona tragedy for fundraising...

Do I need to say anything? except...maybe hypocrisy?

Steve Sinai said...

Sanders' appeal for money is as disgusting as that of the Tea Party Express. I'll agree with you on that, Lois.

I wonder how long 'til someone starts selling commemorative coins?

Kathy Meeh said...

Lois, "right-wing reactionaries" are playing with a different, dangerous vocabulary and image deck. One that is polarized and not "fact checked".

But, as you and Steve have mentioned, both are collecting money. I haven't received a request for donation from any of the usual Democrat sources yet though.

Unknown said...

Kathy, stop. There is rhetoric on both sides and has been going on for as long as there has been politics.

Anonymous said...

Lois is right. But it's not the rhetoric that's the problem. It's that it's legal to buy a semi-automatic weapon in Arizona with a 30-round clip and carry a concealed weapon. If the Republicans hadn't allowed the federal assault weapons ban to expire in 2004 (which limited magazines to 10 rounds) the mentally ill man would have shot far fewer people. Rhetoric had nothing to do with it.

weapons permit said...

AZ is still the wild west. If you prove you have taken a firearms safety class, and have a clean background and have a reason to carry a weapon the sheriff or local police department issues you a permit.

Steve Sinai said...

Looking at the Arizona gun laws, there doesn't seem to be a requirement that people who want to carry concealed weapons need a reason. And the background checks are very cursory.

Guns Don't Kill, People Kill said...

Since 2007 Laughner has been threatening G.Gifford, before Sara Palin and Tea Party came on the scene. The crazy leftist progressive Sherif was the first to politicize Laughner's killing because he knows it is his fault he did not report this guy as a loose cannon , which it was his job to do so.

San Francisco Reality Show said...

I heard Nancy Pelosi is making a reality show just like Sarah Palin's Alaska. Copy link below for a sneak peak at what the show will look like. Make sure you view all the spectacular pics of wonderful San Francisco and the happy people that live in the peaceful city who just want a little peace and quiet. This will blow Sara Palin's Show off the air. Ya Betcha it will.

Don't like San Francisco said...

Those people in San Francisco scare me. I think we made need those semi-automatic weapons for defending our rights. Thank You Republican Party.

Steve Sinai said...

Our resident, obsessive wingnut is trying to hijack this thread, so I'll be deleting their comments beyond this point.

Kathy Meeh said...

Sara Palin's Bull's eye cross-hair map on Tuscon, Arizona.

"Un-reality, 8:47am" it isn't the centrists, the moderates, or the middle that are promoting suggestions of violence-- it is you the the right, those who also claim to be conservatives. And, as expected your link is completely witless.

Most disturbing is the fact we are one country, one people, our neighbors, our families, our friends. Yet, Republican/Tea Party "conservatives" have taken political views to a bizarre, irrational fantasy land with implied threats which can only play-out with dangerous consequences.

Unknown said...

Delete Kathy, too. Pretend there are no left wing radicals "that have taken political views to a bizarre, irrational fantasy land with implied threats which can only play-out with dangerous consequences."

Continue to live in your world where the only bad people are right wing extremists.

Steve Sinai said...

Comments won't be deleted just because they express a political point of view that others disagree with. But when people start abusing comment privileges by obsessively posting 5-10 inane comments in a row, from that point on their comments will be deleted...especially if they post anonymously. I disagree with a lot of what Kathy says, but she doesn't obsessively post 5-10 times in a row.

I've seen other forums destroyed by wackos, so I won't let this blog turn into wacko-land.

Definition of obsession: "An obsession is a persistent (continuous) and recurring thought that a person is unable to control. A person suffering from obsessive thoughts often has symptoms of anxiety (uneasiness or dread) or emotional distress. To relieve this anxiety, a person may resort to compulsive behavior."

Kathy Meeh said...

Lois, the "cross-hairs map" originally came from Sara Palin's website, taken down recently.

Any comment about "extremist groups" was not included in my 9:59am comment, which was about "Republican/Tea Party "conservatives".

Since you brought up "left wing radicals", a quick google search brings-up a trusted US Department of Energy, 4/2001 reference. Yes, the information is 10 years old. However, its possible that alleged current "left wing radical" activity may only be found on trusted "right wing" websites-- you know, in support of the conspiracy.

Anon 1/11/11, 7:50pm, makes a relevant gun regulation point: "It's... legal to buy a semi-automatic weapon in Arizona with a 30-round clip and carry a concealed weapon. If the Republicans hadn't allowed the federal assault weapons ban to expire in 2004 (which limited magazines to 10 rounds) the mentally ill man would have shot far fewer people."

The current belief is that the shooter in Tuscon, AZ) suffers from untreated schizophrenia. Washington Post 1/12/11. The influence of suggestive, accelerated rhetoric and imagery on violent activity is both common and professional knowledge, but the extent to which the Arizona shooter was affected (if at all) is unknown or undisclosed at this time.

BTW, Steve Sinai may "disagree with a lot of what I say", but I almost always agree with him.

Unknown said...

It's useless.

Unknown said...

"We cannot use this occasion to turn on one another again" President Obama, January 13, 2011

Anonymous said...

Funny how the "wingnuts" manage to find and post disparaging articles about the Tea Party but somehow just can't seem to find similar articles about liberals like Bernie Sanders. Of oourse, once they are called on it, they act all innocent and deflect the conversation elsewhere.

Rush Limburger said...

Hey far-right wingnuts - do you think those symbols on Sarah Palin's map showing which candidates to "take out" are surveyor symbols?

Yeah, you probably do.

todd bray said...

Is it too much to suggest regulating hand guns at least as much as auto mobiles and alcohol? The shooter was rejected from the military and community college for emotional issues but was able to buy a hand gun no problem.

Anonymous said...

Todd, it was the duty of the sheriff's dept to report him as mentally unstable. They have on record (they refuse to release) on more then one occassion, since 2007, loughner made death threats, including one to gifford. He also worked on gffords campaign. So if the sheriff's dept did their job correctly and reported him, arizona laws would have prevented him from buying a handgun.

JG said...

Here's a thought about GUN CONTROL to ponder: Free societies with armed citizens have HOMICIDES. Totalitarian societies with UNARMED citizens have GENOCIDES! ~ James G

Steve Sinai said...

The sheriff's department isn't the department of mental health. It's unrealistic to think they're capable of keeping tabs on the mental state of everyone in the population.

The claim that Laughner worked on Gifford's campaign is a new one. Where did you hear that?

The arguments gun-nuts are using to save face are truly desperate.

Anonymous said...

It's not illegal to be mentally ill. We can't require everyone to have a mental health exam in order to buy a gun. It's simpler to make semi-automatic weapons illegal, just like full automatic weapons are.

todd bray said...

I'm not thinking about gun control because the issue is about people (as in guns don't kill people, people kill people). There could be some sort of psych review element to buying a gun. Why wait for a felony conviction to bar someone from owning a gun? 99.9999% of gun owners are quite stable, healthy and involved. Regulations concerning gun stores are very ridged, and as a result gun stores are very safe if operated within federal restrictions. But since the argument against gun control is about people lets make it about people not guns. I think a psych review to purchase a gun, especially a hand gun, needs to be discussed.

Guns Dont Kill, People Do said...

Steve, Loughner worked on her campaign. On Giffords you tube site, she subscribes to loughner. I saw it, it is still there. He worked on her campaign. Arizona law does backround check for reported mental illness already, for gun purchasing.. Loughner threatened more then one person, 2007, including Gifford. It is the Sheriff Dept duty to report the person as mentally unstable, they did not and that is why sheriff is deflecting blame and was the first one to polticize the shootings. Prosecuters today asked him to "shut up"

Steve Sinai said...

Guns, can you provide a link to Giffords' YouTube site which shows she subscribed to Loughner?

And simply insisting that Loughner worked on her campaign doesn't cut it. Provide some proof, please.

When people make a specific claim, and then can't provide evidence when asked, I can only assume they're making stuff up.

Guns Dont Kill, People Kill said...

I will try. Don't know if I saved the data. Can you not a google or bing search? that's how I found it.

New posters of Palin in SF today plastered every by SFist, Very scary message.

Guns Dont Kill, People Kill. said...

Steve, you really are quite a bore. Stop talking to your commie buddies. This is the best I could do. Loughner is classitup. Get it? If you continue to hang out with people that support state run media, you will be last one. If you go to classitup, it is Loughner, and if you tell me this does not prove anything, then, well, lololol, wow, you are brainwashed or an alien.

Steve Sinai said...

Guns, it's not my responsibility to prove your claim.

But anyway, I took a quick look and found Giffords' YouTube site. I didn't see anything about Laughner.

Jackie Speier's YouTube site has one site under Subscriptions, which links to a tribute to Blake Edwards. That makes me think the sites a Congress member subscribes to don't mean a whole lot.

Steve Sinai said...

Guns, you really are quite a dupe. It's extremely easy to copy a web page and edit it.

Guns Dont Kill, People Kill said...

yes, I knew you would say that. I saw it. I played around looking I know what I saw. Make me take a lie detectors test. It was there. You stay with the idiodts and be last. I really dont care about you. You are in denial.

Anonymous said...

Loughners former girlfriend speaks. She said, unlike what Az Sheriff says, he is definitely not crazy.

Anonymous said...

Watch that whole video. She was 15 when she knew him. She saw him a few months ago and said he was very different. And all the people who had contact with him said he was clearly unstable. What all the reports in the media describe is a young man who was pre-psychotic in the recent past and became full blown psychotic by the time he went on his shooting rampage. It's not possible to have police or gun shop owners diagnose people as pre-psychotic. Even mental health professionals can be wrong about this. We need to get these highly dangerous semi-automatic weapons with extended clips out of the hands of everybody. They have no legitimate recreational or sporting purpose.

i luv glen beck said...

bigfoot exists, it is on youtube, so you know it is a FACT!!

Anonymous said...

This is all very weird. I don't think , whoever set this up, that they intended Giffords or Loughner to live. They probably told loughner to kill himself, but citizens attacked him. Docs changed diagnosis of gun entry into giffords head. Giffords had many enemies, mainly democrats. She voted against Pelosi, did not like her. Media is trying to paint him as crzy. Dailykos, a blueboy had a target on Giffords. What he said about her is pretty chilling. I hope Giffords husband never leaves her side and packs heat. She will talk when she is better. Sheriff is out to get loughner, probably why he right away labeled him crazy. Media really wants people to believe he was crazy. Sheriff knew him. Ooo..can't wait until Giffords is well.

Crazy Observer said...

Obviously we have our own crazies right here.

Anonymous said...

go to; The Cholla Jumps. It is a local az blog. Sounds like the Sheriff knew Lougners family and mother Amy, were friends. She, Amy, has been sending emails out. Sheriff needs to be impeached. Comments by locals are interesting.

Anonymous said...

He IS crazy. The media have nothing to do with it. The young man is schizophrenic. All the evidence is there for any mental health professional to make the diagnosis.

Anonymous said...

This is what we have to look forward to. The conspiracy theory nuts will say Pelosi and the Democrats did it. They wanted the congresswoman killed and the killer was supposed to off himself. And the Sheriff is part of the conspiracy. Whoo-ee. Par-tay!

Anonymous said...

Soros did it.

Kathy Meeh said...

"Dailykos, a blueboy had a target on Giffords."

Really, Anon 11:57am, here you go again. Why not read what was actually said on the Daily Kos BLOG from "BoyBlue". "BoyBlue" worked hard for Gifford's election, as "big LIBERAL" (did you melt yet)?

Giffords disappointed "BoyBlue" when Giffords did not vote for Nancy Pelosi to be Minority Leader. And, what does it all amount to from "BoyBlue"? "Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won't lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat. And her voting record is okay. Damn."

As you see this isn't quite the violent picture you described.

Kathy Meeh said...

"On Giffords you tube site, she subscribes to loughner. I saw it, it is still there. He worked on her campaign."

Anon 1/13, 9:59am, based upon the New York Times article 1/13/11, and the link embedded in the following comment, Loughner attended a public meeting held by Giffords (who also sent him a follow-up thank you note for attending). He didn't work for her campaign.

"Evidence seized from the home of Mr. Loughner indicated that he had planned to kill Ms. Giffords, whom he had met at a similar event in 2007. He was described as having been increasingly erratic in recent months."

Glad the you tube print-over post was explained by Steve, I couldn't figure it out but initially thought a video might have been made of the 2007 civic meeting. Apparently not.

Anonymous said...

Excellent article written about the Tucson Shootings.

Kathy Meeh said...

"Excellent article written about the Tucson Shootings."

Excellent??? No Anon 11:40am, your extreme view needs it head examined. What you posted is another botched, ill-conceived justification for selling 30 round guns to the crazies. There is no justification in doing that.

What can be controlled is the background check to those who purchase such assault weapons, and generally "tightening enforcement of gun control laws and regulations". See CNN 1/16/11..

Unknown said...

I honestly don't think you can look at anything, Kathy, with an open mind. You have a one track mind when it comes to anything and anyone that has a different point of view than yours. No articles, no newspapers, and no journalists that aren't on your approved list have no credibility according to you.

I thought the article was a good read showing up a lot of the hypocrisy you spout.

Kathy Meeh said...

Lois, when fact-based information is generated we all win. On the other hand, internet sources such as "parcbench", a spin-off from "big hollywood" are right-wing rumor spin machines.

Interestingly enough you would reverse logic and refer to me pointing-out such discrepancies as "the hypocrisy you spout".

this is the reason said...

why nothing can be fixed in Pacifica. Everyone would rather sit around and argue and no one wants to throw out ideas to fix the town.

This website and a couple of the other ones seem to get side tracked on national and state issues instead of focusing on Pacfica and the problems the town faces

Kathy Meeh said...

"Reason" Anon, want to Fix Pacifica, who did you vote for? 3 city council members make the definitive decisions to move this city forward, or backward (which has been the case for 8 years).

This article is about national politics. One thing the Tea Party had right (no pun) in the last election locally, was "throw the bums out." But here's the disconnect: apparently most Republican/Tea Party voted for only 2 non-partisan city council members, whereas there were 3 open positions.

Remember 3 city council members rule this city, one short guarantees continued movement "to the dark side."

There are lots of ideas for a better Pacifica, on a Fix Pacifica look back, and almost no place to go with them. Let's hear from you.

Anonymous said...

Kathy, no more complaining about anonymous posts, hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

Joining you?

Scotty said...

I don't recall Anonymous ever complaining about anonymous posting.

mike bell said...

Fix Pacifica - fire "no show" Vreeland.
deJarnutt won't know what to do without his Daddy.
Digre will talk to herself.