Monday, July 11, 2011
New Wavelength Shows
Tune in to Pacifica Community Television (Comcast cable channel 26) Mondays at 6:30 to catch the latest Wavelength interviews. Here's the schedule:
7/11 and 7/18 Camden Swita, editor of Pacifica Patch. www.pacifica.patch.com
7/25 Erin Tormey, founder of Pacifica's farmer's market. www.coastsidefarmersmarket.org
8/1 Kalima Salahuddin, president of Saving Pacifica Schools. www.savingpacificaschools.com
All three shows can now be viewed online anytime at www.vimeo.com/channels/wavelength.
Ian Butler
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Ian, wow, thanks for the link to your interview with Camden Swita. Informative and thoughtful conversation both. And, your easy style and relevant questions are always appreciated.
I missed the 6:30pm program Monday, and this was a perfect re-play dialog to enjoying with morning coffee. One thing, are you sure your "Fix Pacifica gang" conspiracist reference is not part of an eco-ideology conspiracy? Ha!
Did Camden just get canned as editor of Patch today?
No, Camden didn't get canned, but he stopped allowing anonymous posts, so in a way anonymous, you did.
Kathy, thanks for the kind words, Camden was my favorite interview yet. We are lucky to have a young and enthusiastic journalist in town who is not afraid to tell it like it is.
Mary Keitelman/Jay Summers/Summer Rhodes/Scotty
Ian Butler must have watched a couple episodes of Weeds and he thinks he is a pot king pin.
First we have to listen to Bray spew nonsense out of his blow hole now Butler.
Where do you propose to get the money for the pot store?
sandra oshiro was listed as the editor yesterday, and it appears the "anonymous" ban on patch is selective.
I'm disappointed in Camden's apparent meltdown.
It takes guts to do journalism and Web sites with unmoderated posts are a real pain, as I'm sure Steve can attest.
There are real problems here in Pacifica, problems that will take us down before long, and nobody is covering them.
"Where do you propose to get the money for the pot store?"
Ooh, I know this one...by selling pot!
Looks like Camden got caught up in all of his new found celebrity being on Ian's show and all. The power of the censor is quite a temptress. But it is a double edged sword. Just ask Sinai and Maybury who were both forced to reverse their "no anonymous" policies due to waning interest in their blogs. Camden will learn. AOL pays for Camden by selling advertising, not "community building". But Camden will learn this important lesson in economics. Bet on it. He will also learn that the fact that he continues to allow his favorites to post anonymously while suspending everyone else hasn't escaped any one - most of all, his boss, AOL.
"How (Anon) it is" (903) and other Anonymous people, you can't stand behind your comments with your own name? Some of us with names, find that a bit unfair and challenging, but, maybe we should have a "no host" anonymous pity party for you, or not.
Hope Steve will comment about the "anonymous" accommodation on this blog. Don't think the reasoning is, your reasoning: "Just ask Sinai and Maybury who were both forced to reverse their "no anonymous" policies due to waning interest in their blogs."
On Patch a whole lot of people seem to post under their name. True, Patch is not as "hot" as this blog. Maybury edits some comments, which may or may not change the intent. Steve's rules are posted, no editing. Some irregular comments don't make the cut on any of the 3 blogs for good reason.
The Anons can say anything here which is why it is pointless opinion and rant. Patch is not a blog, it is local online news and very appreciated. Thank goodness, Camden put a stop to the crazy rants and supposition.
Mouthpiece.
Camden will get fewer comments, but they'll be higher quality than anonymous comments.
We tried requiring registration for comments here, which resulted in a drop in comments of about 90%. The main objective was to stop repeated personal attacks by a small group of people who were hiding behind anonymity. We ended up re-allowing anonymous comments, and now we delete personal attacks manually.
You're doing God's work, Steve. Many of us admire what you do and how you do it.
when has Camden "told it like it is"? What groundbreaking reporting has he done to expose the lies and corruption of our city leaders? Why doesn't he report on the local blowhard who stormed Barry Swenson's offices in San Jose and threatened a lawsuit if he purchased the quarry, killing the deal?
Anon (530) there seems to be room in the Pacifica's media/news/commentary world for almost everyone. Patch similar to the Tribune, reports professional "community" orientated news. For reference, the following is Camden's "new rule" regarding anonymous comments on Patch, 7/13/11:
"If you're not using your real name to comment on articles, you'll be banned from Pacifica Patch. I'll be cross-checking commenters' names against the white pages and email listings (if you're not sure if your email address is listed with your real name, it probably is).
As the editor of Pacifica Patch, I'm trying to create a community of voices in Pacifica. There is no such thing as an anonymous community.
If you take issue with this decision, please email me at camden@patch.com. Also, if you feel like I will not be able to identify you as a real person based on the white pages and an email verification, send me a note."
As I recall, Steve required registration during the time leading up to and following city council elections. And at that time there were relentless problems with a few anonymous comment posters. Registration was a useful tool at that time.
" the local blowhard who stormed Barry Swenson's offices in San Jose and threatened a lawsuit if he purchased the quarry, killing the deal?"
Missed this little gem. Who was this?
Wahta (855) forget the (530) reference and see if you can figure-it-out from there. The general conversation here has been about the about different forms of commentary, and the monitoring of anonymous comments.
Sure I made an Anonymous time reference error. You on the other hand may need more assistance in understanding the larger conversation, and possibly anger management. In addition, you hiding behind "no name", without moving the conversation forward, dwelling on a minor detail, from my view makes you a real jerk. Boring!
Interesting that Ian says something like "...there's the Fix Pacifica crowd, but they don't count..." in his interview with Camden, but then posts all his stuff here.
Scotty,
We were discussing Camden's article on Jim Vreeland's absences, an issue that had been underreported by the press. I apologize if you feel insulted by my comment, but in my book FixPacifica doesn't count as the press, although it does provide a valuable service by allowing a variety of points of view, including yours and mine.
Regarding Fix Pacifica, Ian (608) said "...it does provide a valuable service by allowing a variety of points of view, including yours and mine."
I enjoy your light humor, and serious discussion, Ian. Fix Pacifica does give exposure and discussion to such issues as "Vreeland not showing up"-- issues which are often discounted or tucked away from view in our community. There is a need for blogs, as well as well as community news.
Glad both you and Scotty post articles and comment here. And, Ian, your interview with Camden is worth viewing again along with the Erin Tormey and Kalina Salahuddin interviews you so graciously linked in the article above. Neat!
Scotty's (1120) precise repeat of the "flip" Fix Pacifica comment leading to something about conspiracies is helpful, since my recall was a day later than viewing the video. Following a "second take" on the comment, I thought what you said was funny-- so funny I almost lost a mouth full of coffee. Fix Pacifica has mostly serious, mainstream and edgy articles and commentary. The publicity was "free", so thanks for that too, Ian!
Steve Sinai has it right. I'll get fewer but better comments, which is what I want. Also, no favoritism at work here, since I don't even know who most of the anonymous commentators are. I will miss some of those Anons, but not most of the anonymous comments that were meant to provoke people.
I don't see the need to draw comparisons between the websites and papers in town for the most part. Each publication is contributing its own style of reporting at varying breadths, and I think all help flesh out the issues in Pacifica.
I won't apologize if I've upset anyone for no longer allowing anonymous comments, but I will say you're always welcome to email me anonymously to air your grievances.
Lastly, I've restored the accounts I banned after making the new rule in case anyone wants to change their Patch username to their real name. If they start commenting again under the fake name, however, they'll be booted again. Thanks for the great interview, Ian! I had a lot of fun.
"" the local blowhard who stormed Barry Swenson's offices in San Jose and threatened a lawsuit if he purchased the quarry, killing the deal?"
Missed this little gem. Who was this?"
???????????? Mike, I went to meet with a friend of mine who works for Barry Swenson to give them info on the quarry in order to stop them from making a HUGE mistake. BSB staff were mostly unaware of the regulatory issues with the property and thought they had 44 acres of developable land which as you know is a fallacy.
As for the shows I thought Ian had a good comment instead of his schtick about the average resident.
"Steve Sinai has it right."
STRIKE ONE!
"I'll get fewer but better comments, which is what I want."
STRIKE TWO!
"Also, no favoritism at work here, since I don't even know who most of the anonymous commentators are."
SWING AND A MISS, STRIKE THREE!!
Swenson. Multi million dollar company and they didnt know about the regulatory issues.
Are you f*&^king kidding me.
This is the stupidest post in the history of the Internet
"BSB staff were mostly unaware of the regulatory issues with the property and thought they had 44 acres of developable land which as you know is a fallacy."
well thank God you did them a favor. you are a hero to the community and doing God's work. Thank you Todd Bray for saving both Swenson and Pacifica from the blight of development.
http://www.barryswensonbuilder.com
"Sustainable Building Philosophy
As a pioneer in urban planning, Barry Swenson Builder works to develop and construct sustainable buildings by focussing on increasing the e fficiency of resource use in energy, water and materials. This involves reducing building impacts on human health and the environment during the building’s lifecycle, through better siting, design, construction, maintenance, and eventual removal.
As a leader in Transit Oriented Development, natural building (using local materials), and as an active member of the US Green Building Council, Barry Swenson Builder has received numerous sustainability awards, and will continue these eff orts by incorporating new green technologies into our future projects."
God Bless You Todd Bray! these sham out of town builders would have been a blight to our community!
"I don't see the need to draw comparisons between the websites and papers in town for the most part. Each publication is contributing its own style of reporting at varying breadths, and I think all help flesh out the issues in Pacifica."
and the truth continues to suffer . . . same fluff, different format and nothing changes in Pacifica.
the average resident continues to get only carefully crafted portions of the truth in Pacifica.
Who says the deals off? I certainly didn't.
Swenson can now sue Mr Bray for killing the deal
"Todd, did you go to Swenson's offices in San Jose with the intent to stop him from buying the quarry??"
why would Bray even speak to Swenson?
wasn't this covered on Wavelength? No? Riptide? No? Fix Pacifica? No? Tribune? No? Patch? No?
so a former planning commissioner stormed into Swenson's offices to persuade him not to purchase the quarry, and no news outlet covered it?
name the "friends" at Swenson!!
"BSB staff were mostly unaware of the regulatory issues with the property and thought they had 44 acres of developable land which as you know is a fallacy."
no regulatory agency has determined this, so bray's comment is a fallacy
"I was at Barry Swenson Builders a few weeks ago trying to talk them out of buying the quarry . . ."
bray already said all he needed to on april 13, 2011 2:15PM
So Sinai, if anonymous posters are cowards and you think that the comments are of such better quality by eliminating anonymous comments, how come you still allow them? Doing "God's work" I guess...
Because when the blog got started, the majority of participants wanted the option of posting anonymously.
This blog is also a side thing for me, so I'm not going to spend time tracking down which names are legit or not.
Why would Swenson even talk to Bray is the question
" Mike, I went to meet with a friend of mine who works for Barry Swenson to give them info on the quarry in order to stop them from making a HUGE mistake. BSB staff were mostly unaware of the regulatory issues with the property and thought they had 44 acres of developable land which as you know is a fallacy".
You're pulling my leg, right?
Or should we once again thank you for insuring that the quarry remains the world's biggest kitty litter box?
That's it! Let's enter it into the Guiness Book of Records and then we can capitalize on all the tourists who will come to see it.
By the way, I meet with Barry from time to time. Who's your friend?
Anon (906)another question is why you continue to obsess when you say "bray already said all he needed to on april 13, 2011 2:15PM"? Todd said he did not speak to Swenson, but spoke to "friends" who work there. That and prior comments on your "get Todd" mission looks orchestrated on this thread.
It seems your flavor of bullying this time was Todd, with follow-up backhanded slaps at Steve. A few days ago it was me for a typo-- whereas, in your repeated "can't understand Kathy" 1 sentence "correction" slam, you made 3 typos.
Posting under an anonymous name should be a privilege of last resort, not a tool of abuse with a place to hide. And, the value in posting under your own name is as stated by Tom Clifford, on Patch "you own your comments".
Todd posts under his name, you snipe and expand suppositions under Anonymous. As Ian said "you give Anonymous a bad name". I think there should be at least registration of an Anonymous name, with civility guidelines including potential real name exposure for targeting others.
That man has a lot of rage. Rage.
Wow, why is the BS detector flying off the charts today?
Now the story changes to I spoke to Swenson, to well I have friends at Swenson.
Maybe the man walked by the meat department at the store and is talking about Swenson Corned Beef?
Now after Bray, cries I am a victim, I am a victim, Kathy is doing the same thing
"Victim". Rather than add to the conversation Anon (535), YOU are a petty abuser hiding behind an Anonymous name. That also makes you a coward.
Additionally, you're an idiot and a fraud. Example, YOU made big deal and personal slam out of one of my many inadvertent typos, while YOU couldn't do better than 3 typos in only one sentence.
YOU are the "poster boy" example why anonymous name registration is needed.
Kathy, as I've told you both publicly and privately, you need to stop feeding the trolls. By constantly responding to the nut-jobs, you give them a reason to prolong these ridiculous conversations.
LTE, The Economist
Sir: Barring libel, prejudicial comment before trial and so-called hate speech, free speech is universally considered a good thing, and you make a splendid case for spreading it far and wide. But freedom is a funny thing. The freer the speech, the cheaper it becomes. Put differently, the less free it is the more courage and cunning is required to speak out, so there is less blabber.
When speech is restricted, every single word from a poet, writer, or philosopher counts. On occasion it has the force of thunder. Many from behind the iron curtain of communism will thus remember the good old times, when free speech was but a dream. Back then, speaking was an art. And so was listening.
Ranko Bon
Motovun, Croatia
"...stop feeding the trolls."
Steve, then why is troll access allowed? One-sided irrelevant, inane and insane slams and weird commentary under anonymous name cover are allowed. Response, correction and clarification? No. This makes no sense to me.
And, with one-sided propaganda, you think these trolls will go away? No.
"...speaking was an art. And so was listening."
Good point to aspire to, Ian (1033). And, there has to be the basis of a conversation to do that.
Kathy, as long as we allow anonymous comments, we will always get the occasional troll. By constantly responding to them, you're making them think they are being taken seriously, which only encourages them further.
The two extremes: wild west open comments here or "validated" email addresses on Patch (good luck with that Camden, anyone with half a brain can get around that if they choose to do so) are at least honest. The worst of both worlds is Maybury who picks and chooses which comments to allow and sometimes actually edits them.
Kathy, it's hard to take your complaints about personal slams seriously when you are calling someone a coward and an idiot. To Steve's point, if you take the high road, they usually go away.
Steve - just let the juvenile tea-bagger comment. He will go away.
Scotty you have not been the recent target, others have. "Name calling" without a name does not work for me, maybe it does for you. I will continue to stand by my comment. And, beyond "don't feed the trolls", there are a bunch spammed anonymous comments that it seems will never go away.
Scotty "it's hard to take your (comment) about personal slams seriously when you are calling someone a (juvenile tea-bagger)." How do you like that replacement text as it applies to your comment?
I think people with reasonable comments who add to the conversation should feel comfortable to state their information and opinion, without being nonsense targeted period.
a) I wasn't complaining about personal attacks
b) That last comment wasn't me, Kathy. It was your old friend Jeff impersonating me.
Sorry Scotty (200). Jeff, stop playing around and go away. This blog serves a reasonable city dialog purpose.
And Steve, (1058) my view is if you are asking for no response to what may be considered troll comments, the troll comment itself is worthy of being spammed.
This blog at least has a lively thread. Patch is about to crash and burn, at least until the new policy is reversed. I'm surprised that Camden is doing this; he's of the generation that knows how a blog works, and believe it, it's a blog that sometimes does news coverage.
Inexperience and control freakism, perhaps.
Mike you flatter me. I'm just a guy trying to keep a friend from making a mistake.
Todd, not thrashing you, I am asking you a question/questions?
Have you worked in Real Estate Development? Can you analize a project like the quarry? Don't you think Barry Swenson Builders, are qualified and able to pick which projects they want to do? Do you think they have been around since 1974 by making stupid mistakes? Have you seen the projects they build? The awards from the Building community they have won? The track record? The Banks and Insurance Companies and Joint Venture Partners begging them to do business?
Seriously do you think Swenson got this far by making stupid mistakes?
Todd,
Barry Swenson is a very savvy builder. He flourishes in Silicon Valley, one of the most competitive markets in the country.
The only influence you might have had on him was to remind him how over-the-top hostile Pacificans for Sustainable Development and their 3 lackey's on Council are towards all development.
I pray for the day that this nonsense ends so we can build a truly sustainable city.
Mike, I had no influence on Barry, we don't speak. If anyone was to get something built there I think BSB would be the best developer out there. But Mike, even you must concede the property is a Black Widow. The quarry isn't necessary for a sustainable city. Compensation reform is, but not development.
Don't know if the deal's dead but if BSB is indeed as savvy as some here claim then whatever the decision Swenson made or is making about the quarry will be a business decision based on profitability not innuendo and casual commentary. His profitability.
The real question is why Bray on the one hand continuously and publicly derides Pacifica's public servants as crybabies for daring to cash their paychecks during this budget shortfall, but on the other actively attempts to sabotage a revenue-generating development which would to a long way to alleviate the crisis.
But then again, this is a guy who thinks the Swenson Gang are naive rubes when it comes to real estate.
I wish this blog had an edit button after you post
Barry Swenson started Barry Swenson Builders in 1977 not 1974.
@mike bell 5:23pm
Hear, hear. Well said Mike.
The only reason the quarry is a black widow is because of the likes of Loeb, Verby and the rest of the gang who created the no-development poison pills 25 years ago.
Now that the quarry is no longer a redevelopment zone it joins the long list of lost opportunity in Pacifica.
If only people would bother to study our recent past and demand accountability, the poverty loving, faux enviro NIMBY's would have a lot of splain'in to do.
I love it when people try to blame others for their own ignorance and incompetence. Then they make themselves look even more foolish by empty name-calling.
Mike, what do you want explained? Pointing your finger and name calling suggests you already have you answer(s) so why do you want any more explaining?
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