"The opposition to the quarry development is spearheaded by only a few local residents but they are very vocal. They tend to be retired folks who don’t use the roads during the peak commute periods when traffic problems are at the worst."
That statement concerning quarry opposition was made by a city employee, director of Public Works, Van Ocampo at the first meeting. Why would a city employee make such a derogatory statement about local residents?
Uh because folks in his job have been known to welcom CalTrans. In fairness, why wouldn't they? Kindred spirits, same skill sets, dreams of double dipping??? They have a similar, project-loving mindset. Let's build something! He definitely knows Pacifica isn't building anything.
Again with the revenues. We've established last year we don't have a revenue issue we have a payroll issue. Too many getting paid too much. Wages/compensation needs to parallel revenues. It has nothing to do with development. A one percent wage reduction for every $10,000 earned will cure our fiscal problem.
Maybe what we've really established is that we have both a revenue and a payroll problem, locally, and at the state and federal levels. We are sooo screwed!
"We've established last year we don't have a revenue issue we have a payroll issue."
Says who? Just because a few people keep insisting it's true doesn't mean that's the case.
The tiny handful who deny there's a revenue problem are NIMBYs who recognize new revenues require commercial development. They don't want to see that happen.
We have both a revenue and a payroll problem. Almost every city has a payroll crisis though. Ours is exacerbated by 20+ years of anti development folks controlling the city. Now their latest fight is against the highway 1 widening because they see it as a doorway to more housing projects.
So when a household can not pay the monthly bills, do they have a cashflow problem due to lack of money coming in or too much debt.
It is a combination of both. You either have to increase income coming in every month and find a way to cut the monthly expenses.
I know people are quick to blame the cash flow problems at city hall on the high salaries. Pacifica employees are the lowest paid in the county.
Anything in the quarry would have brought in badly needed money for the city, and we know how that ended.
Before the council canidates boast about making Palmetto the crown jewel of the coast, and the new downtown. The Nimbies chased a bed and breakfast inn and a brew pub out of the area.
Anon 423 said: "people are quick to blame the cash flow problems at city hall on the high salaries."
Have you read the papers? Every city in California is struggling to pay outrageous union wages and benefits. It is causing them to cut programs for the poor & reduce services. You think Pacifica is different? This is not conjecture. It is fact. But the unions are still in denial.
"Pacifica employees are the lowest paid in the county."
Not all employees. Many are making $150,000+. With pensions and benefits that's too much to bear. So we are the lowest? That means we only need to cut them 20% instead of 30%.
Now, now, don't be so glum. Don't you know the drill? As soon as the election is over council will count heads, sniff the air, and proceed with a tax measure. When that fails they will bemoan the fact that the lack of voter support to give them more mad money forces them to outsource the cops. Life will go on. Salaries will continue to be paid and those glorious pensions will be collected by just about everyone including qualifying former councilmembers. Priorities folks, it's all about getting your priorities in order.
anon423 any city employee who feels they can make more money working for another city should get there fast. go now. screw the commute, just go. they're a good group of people but none are so exceptional as to be irreplaceable. we'll manage. maybe we can even do better and pay less.
other cities are hiring and everyone is replaceable. we tend to over-sentimentalize the locals who work for the city of pacifica. they're the ones who have the great deal... good salaries, great benefits and zero commute. happy for them but they're not irreplaceable.
It is past time for wages and benefits in the public sector to balance with those in the private sector. We who pay YOUR wages have seen 30% cuts, we will have to survive on Social Security and Medicare. Our private union pensions have been slashed, why can't yours? The only extra we get is what we put aside ourselves. You are sucking funds from cities, counties and the State. You are causing cities to go bankrupt, fund for the underprivileged to be slashed.
Time to join the real world spoiled government union workers.
The worst "offenders" at the public employee pension trough are public safety workers..police and fire. Sacred cows or outrageous budget-busters? How much should the hazardous work label cost us? Particularly in low crime, low incident towns like Pacifica. Get them under control and the rest will follow. And all of them need to share in pension reform, teachers, too. Regardless of business growth CA cannot recover without serious pension reform.
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Well this is accurate:
"The opposition to the quarry development is spearheaded by only a few local residents but they are very vocal. They tend to be retired folks who don’t use the roads during the peak commute periods when traffic problems are at the worst."
I see why Todd is so pissed at these folks. Hehe.
That statement concerning quarry opposition was made by a city employee, director of Public Works, Van Ocampo at the first meeting. Why would a city employee make such a derogatory statement about local residents?
Van Ocampo, isn't even an engineer. He went to school in Canada.
No other city would hire him but Pacifica.
Go figure
Because they've successfully destroyed the city's finances?
Uh because folks in his job have been known to welcom CalTrans. In fairness, why wouldn't they? Kindred spirits, same skill sets, dreams of double dipping??? They have a similar, project-loving mindset. Let's build something! He definitely knows Pacifica isn't building anything.
Again with the revenues. We've established last year we don't have a revenue issue we have a payroll issue. Too many getting paid too much. Wages/compensation needs to parallel revenues. It has nothing to do with development. A one percent wage reduction for every $10,000 earned will cure our fiscal problem.
Maybe what we've really established is that we have both a revenue and a payroll problem, locally, and at the state and federal levels. We are sooo screwed!
"Because they've successfully destroyed the city's finances?"
The city council, advised by top staffers, have already done a fine job of that.
In order to be retired, you had to have worked.
The windbag purpose in life is to dispute facts and cause a disturbance.
"We've established last year we don't have a revenue issue we have a payroll issue."
Says who? Just because a few people keep insisting it's true doesn't mean that's the case.
The tiny handful who deny there's a revenue problem are NIMBYs who recognize new revenues require commercial development. They don't want to see that happen.
We have both a revenue and a payroll problem. Almost every city has a payroll crisis though. Ours is exacerbated by 20+ years of anti development folks controlling the city. Now their latest fight is against the highway 1 widening because they see it as a doorway to more housing projects.
So when a household can not pay the monthly bills, do they have a cashflow problem due to lack of money coming in or too much debt.
It is a combination of both. You either have to increase income coming in every month and find a way to cut the monthly expenses.
I know people are quick to blame the cash flow problems at city hall on the high salaries. Pacifica employees are the lowest paid in the county.
Anything in the quarry would have brought in badly needed money for the city, and we know how that ended.
Before the council canidates boast about making Palmetto the crown jewel of the coast, and the new downtown. The Nimbies chased a bed and breakfast inn and a brew pub out of the area.
Anon 423 said: "people are quick to blame the cash flow problems at city hall on the high salaries."
Have you read the papers? Every city in California is struggling to pay outrageous union wages and benefits. It is causing them to cut programs for the poor & reduce services. You think Pacifica is different? This is not conjecture. It is fact. But the unions are still in denial.
"Pacifica employees are the lowest paid in the county."
Not all employees. Many are making $150,000+. With pensions and benefits that's too much to bear. So we are the lowest? That means we only need to cut them 20% instead of 30%.
Now, now, don't be so glum. Don't you know the drill? As soon as the election is over council will count heads, sniff the air, and proceed with a tax measure. When that fails they will bemoan the fact that the lack of voter support to give them more mad money forces them to outsource the cops. Life will go on. Salaries will continue to be paid and those glorious pensions will be
collected by just about everyone including qualifying former councilmembers. Priorities folks, it's all about getting your priorities in order.
anon423 any city employee who feels they can make more money working for another city should get there fast. go now. screw the commute, just go.
they're a good group of people but none are so exceptional as to be irreplaceable. we'll manage.
maybe we can even do better and pay less.
No other cities are hiring. Everyone is replaceable.
Maybe that is because you are unemployable!
other cities are hiring and everyone is replaceable. we tend to over-sentimentalize the locals who work for the city of pacifica. they're the ones who have the great deal... good salaries, great benefits and zero commute. happy for them but they're not irreplaceable.
It is past time for wages and benefits in the public sector to balance with those in the private sector. We who pay YOUR wages have seen 30% cuts, we will have to survive on Social Security and Medicare. Our private union pensions have been slashed, why can't yours? The only extra we get is what we put aside ourselves. You are sucking funds from cities, counties and the State. You are causing cities to go bankrupt, fund for the underprivileged to be slashed.
Time to join the real world spoiled government union workers.
Register with CALOPpS, jobs come up all the time.
The worst "offenders" at the public employee pension trough are public safety workers..police and fire. Sacred cows or outrageous budget-busters? How much should the hazardous work label cost us? Particularly in low crime, low incident towns like Pacifica. Get them under control and the rest will follow. And all of them need to share in pension reform, teachers, too. Regardless of business growth CA cannot recover without serious pension reform.
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