Pacifica Tribune/Jane Northrop, Staff writer, 3/24/16. "Voters to weigh in on Quarry Village."
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| The proposed development is a NIMBY special. Restoration, 25% development or nothing? |
"The
owner of the Pacifica Quarry plans to put an initiative on the November
ballot asking voters to approve a housing development. The
housing portion of the mixed use development includes 181 apartments
and 25 live-work units on a Quarry Village that includes retail and
office space. A road will be built where footpaths are now to reach
hotel bungalows and an amphitheater on the west, as well as drive to the
new Quarry Village and connect with San Marlo Way on the south.
Petitions
to support such a ballot measure are being circulated by Pacificans
Mike Mooney and Gerald Trecroci. Their notice states any development
will include open space amenities and trail improvements. The
development will be smaller than the last Quarry development proposal,
the notice states.
The development
will include a 188-room hotel and conference center, that includes 12
hotel bungalows of 2,500 square feet each, retail, restaurant and
entertainment sites along with an ocean-facing plaza and amphitheater
suitable for public gatherings.
Traffic
mitigation, green building standards and compliance with California
Environmental Quality Act will be accomplished through the city’s
planning process. The initiative
states it is necessary for City Council to approve a rezoning of the
Quarry site for mixed use development that includes multi-family
residential, retail, recreational, hotel, office and open space."
| Quarry development, off Highway 1 needs more retail/commercial, and far less open space. |
Reference, general. City of Pacifica Planning, "Proposed Pacifica Quarry Reclamation Project." The Quarry website/Restore and Connect/Vision. "Community benefits. The Quarry offers residents and visitors a newly activated destination
that complements Pacifica’s coastal, small town character. An oceanfront
Quarry Hotel & Conference Center will host community events and
help support costs of site restoration while sparking economic benefits
for the City. A mixed use Quarry Village, with shops clustered around an
oceanfront plaza, will extend the Rockaway Beach district. And a new
internal roadway will provide a safe frontage road along Highway One. .... Natural Open Space. The majority of the property — including the Calera Creek corridor,
hillside areas, the central wetlands, and the quarry bowl — will be
maintained as open space."
Reference, detail. The Quarry/Conceptual Site Plan/updates + resources. "The conceptual plans shown here demonstrate the project’s strong
emphasis on open space, with over 75% of the 86-acre property designated
for wetland open space, a Creekside Park, an amphitheater and meadow
within the quarry bowl, upgraded and safer trails, and extensive open
hillside areas. The plans accomplish this by clustering development in compact,
easy-on-the land footprints that respect the current community use of
the site. A Creekside Park extends 100 feet into private property to
separate live-work units from popular community walking routes along
Calera Creek. The project’s access road, Quarry Road, will provide an
emergency route parallel to Highway 1. ... Summary: Compact, mixed use “Quarry Village” including neighborhood serving
retail/restaurant space with an oceanfront plaza and about 200
apartments (including live-work units and a healthy mix of affordable
residences).Hotel and Conference Center of about 200 rooms, providing substantial tax revenue to the City of Pacifica. ... Mission: Restore the Land, Connect the Community The Quarry will
restore the old quarry site to a landscape of renewed open space and
community-friendly uses. Sensitive and limited redevelopment of this
private land will set the stage for public access and permanent open
space at a vibrant new destination along the coast."
Note photographs. Chocolate bunny from Geocaching. Quarry land facepage image from Coastsider/Ken Restivo, 8/17/06, "Backgrounder: The Quarry vote in Pacifica."
Posted by Kathy Meeh
63 comments:
Peter Loeb and Nancy Hall and all the resident Pacifica Hippies noobees and nimbys will like development in the quarry the size of a postage stamp.
They will stab these guys in the back, Just you watch.
Fear not dear Rantanon Minions... with any luck this will all be over soon.
this looks beautiful, great design, housing , hotels, theatre, wonderful , i hope it passes. its got my vote. If the theatre is used for big conventions, it certainly will bring in alot of money for pacifica. great job to all involved in this project.
Agreed, very beautiful. Let's hope the usual bad seeds like Loeb, Lancelle, Bray and their faux-envro brethren aren't successful at killing it and depriving Pacifica of yet another opportunity.
there is only so much you can deprive individuals, children, and a growing city of of, when that is done, growth and development is deprived,and the individuals become disabled in thought and growth. The faux- envro people will eventually be confronted, with causing developmental disabilities in individuals, especially children if they dont stop interferring with the needs of growing childen and the needs of a growing city. They cause nothing but a deprived city, lacking housing, roads, entertainment,and a financial secure city. Pacifica is many years behind in building development as the citizens have increased in family size, and many new out of towners became pacificans, which all comes down to the need for building. This project at the quarry is absolutely beautiful, and needed, and it still has open space. congratulations to all who worked on this project, its wonderful.
Agreed. Unfortunately the bad actors: Loeb, Lancelle, Bray and their fellow NIMBY's have already begun the assault. They will stop at nothing to turn this into another polarizing political event in Pacifica. I predict that Lancelle will try to ride this back onto the public stage. Egomaniacs have no restraint or concern for others.
Pacifica is in very bad economic health and this gang of faux-enviros are to blame. Their mantra is, "It's all about me, me, me!"
I think we need to get a psychologists viewpoint on the stunted growth of pacifica, due to the constant blockades by the nimbys. we need to put together all that they have blocked, and all that they have denied the citizens of pacifica, and the strain they put on the mayor and the council, bring it to the govenor, and get a good lawyer. depriving children of their deserved entertaintment for social activity, and housing for healthy physical and mental growth is a sin in my eye. like i said before, maybe the nimbys should move to the amazon theres a lot of wetlands there. pacifica has grown in population, california has grown in population, the entire world has grown in population, and it is the citys responsibility to build for demand in increased population. Noone can stop this population, so progress should continue. continuously stunting the citys growth as the nimbys have done, should be a crime, and there is plenty of backup for us, we just need to get it. There are so many children in pacifica, and they need places to go intown, and proper housing , just like all the rest of the citizens. This project is beautifully layed out, best i have seen, and it will be benefit us all.
11:01 "If the theatre is used for big conventions, it certainly will bring in alot of money for pacifica." Uh, it's an amphitheatre - y'know, an outdoor thing. Maybe good for some musical events. But not the kind of thing that conventions have any use for.
oh outdoor, that great to, we can all engoy it, i feel so bad for the young teenagers, if they do not surf, there is no movie theatre, no downtown area, they are to young for coffee shops, and to young for all the bars, hoping they wont take that up. theres really not much at all for them, and if their parents work, no luck getting a ride after school to the movies in daly city, or south city, i hate to see them stagnate their growth. this is were professional letters from the health and mental health dept come in. Prevention is the key , to helping the young. every city in california, has something for the young , except pacifica, and not much for the old either. something has to be done about the nimby and all these envirementalists, they have had their run for to long, to many years, and deprived an entire city of needs.Its seems a crime i tell you, and disgraceful
6:46 the teens in Pacifica are all stoned, even the surfers are stoned. If they are not stoned they are on meth.
doesnt peter loeb, and nancy hall live in sunnyvale, and if so, what is their controlling concern about pacifica and pacificans, are they just that bored, and have no life, that they come all the way from sunnyvale to argue with our mayor and council, and any builder who wants to improve our city, for our children, middle age, and elders. whats that all about? well peter loeb and nancy hall, stay out of our bussiness
about the remark earlier that teenagers are all stoned, i wouldnt be surprised, since they do not have a community center, no movie theatre, no downtown, no game rooms, no boat rentals, . thats exactly my point if the teenagers had these things available to them, they would certainly occupy their time with them. but if these places are not built, what happens to the deprived youth? Its time for all pacificans to think about the youth, and see that they have everything that every other city in california has,pacifica is the only city without these things, come on no movie theatre. stop the nimbys
some hippies get stuck in the 60s . they dont want to believe that jerry garcia, jimi hendrix, and janis joplin are dead. and that grace slice moved on with her life, up to mendecino. they still are playing guitars like time stood still with the birds and the bees,in golden gate park in the 60s, and thats fine, but just dont do it in pacifica, move on with your life, its time now for the younger generation to have there space, they need that amphipheatre, its their turn to grow and develope in their own city.Give them their space, and back off. buy yourselves a couple of frogs and sing lullabys to them on your guitars, pacificans need the quarry built. for all you hippies outthere, i dont believe jimmie , janis, or jerry believed in stagnation, so dont stagnate the pacifica children with your old 60s ideas. even golden gate park grew and expanded in different ways with growth and developement.time you hippies and envirementolists did the same
it gets stranger and stranger
"doesnt peter loeb, and nancy hall live in sunnyvale"
Unless they've moved recently, they live in Pacifica.
Nancy and Peter are still here. They're busy planning concerts to raise the ire of their faux-enviro buddies to kill off the concert venue and anything else that could happen in the quarry. Get it through your head would you please? Pacifica must maintain this giant dog poop park to prevent humans from moving any dirt, EVER!
Well, you know, those idle teens could always become serial posters on here. Fix Pacifica is here for you, kids!
"You started it. na na na na na na" ..the Donald.
Peter Loeb lives in Rockaway Beach, by the water.
Nancy Hall lives in Vallemar.
Billy Jack was a detective down in Texas..
You know he knows exactly what the facts is.
Go on take the money and run...Ohh yaaa
They seem to be so proud of the iressponsibility of the 60s, it was a bad era, nothing to be proud of. its 2016, pacifica is yrs behind in progress, it has been standing still for way to long, yes a poster would be great of teenagers picking up a hammer and building their own movie theatre, their own skate board park, if we dont do something for this younger generation, they will deteriorate into the old hippie life style of drugs. and these teenagers deserve better. If this nancy and Peter had any love for children , they would pick up a hammer themselves, but i guess some people would rather forget children and life exists, and just fly through the flowers like a bumble bee in their little fantasy land.
8:50 But I will finish it.
I may have the nastiest orange comb over. But I am worth 10 billion.
Poor people are poor cause they don't have any money.
Feel the Bern, 850.
This new proposal isn't smaller than the 2006 proposal, it's larger. Not only is the full 40 acres of flat land developed, but there is also a road up the hillside to even more development on top of Mori Point. The swampland/mosquito habitat depicted on the north end of the proposal is development just as surely as the physical bulidings. No, this proposal is way bigger than either Peebles Co. or Trammell Crow's proposals were.
We vote, The Quarry squeaks through, developer fails to proceed for any number of reasons.
Divine intervention or the Pacifica curse? Pacifica stumbles on.
Todd 1008. "The swampland/mosquito habitat depicted on the north end of the proposal is development just as surely as the physical buildings."
Not exactly, 1) swampland/mosquito habitat vs. 2) the 2006 proposal: cash producing infrastructure and services. Hence, the true article reprint title (above) will stand: "Quarry village, smaller than the 2006 proposal."
Does your comment represent support for the 2016 proposal, including houses and village?
For years Todd has tried to scare developers away from the quarry by telling them they would be blocked by legal protections for the man-made wetlands. Now, in a classic case of "Be careful what you wish for", a developer comes along who plans to increase the wetlands. Suddenly Todd starts spinning quarry wetlands as mosquito breeding grounds.
If someone hasn't already done so, this developer should be told that Bray, Lancelle, Loeb, Goldstein, Hall and all of the other faux-enviro nut jobs in this town, are highly resented by the average Pacifican, who is sick of living in chronic poverty.
the quarry is huge, and is big enough for houses, apts, carnivals, and entertainment for every age of pacificans. if the hippies and envirementolists want it so badly, why dont they show GREEN- MONEY- that area all area of the quarry does not belong to the want to be janis joplin and jimmy hendrix fan club. They talk big, but show no pocket book. they should be taken to court for deprivation of an entire city. and by the way, they can always demolish their own homes, and make a mosquito swamp out of it, but yet they give up nothing, only take.
Steve, the "wetlands" be created are what is commonly called a Mitigation Bank. It represents a wetland that is sold to another developer to "mitigate" the taking of a separate wetland somewhere. This faux restoration you refer to is just another part of the quarry's 88 acres to be built on and sold. Granted I poked fun at the mitigation bank calling it a mosquito breeding ground/habitat, but the area is being produced to sell, not as a public service for Pacifica residents, but as a commodity that will allow some other project somewhere to take a real wetland by purchasing the proposed larvae hatchery. I'm not spinning anything. This new proposal is bigger than either Peebles Co. or Trammell Crows plans.
303 And you represent the "average Pacifica"? I think not.
Todd, so your argument depends on a secret plot as to why the new wetlands are being created? Do you have any evidence for this secret plot other than your own imagination?
3:55
Much more than you think so.
You're in a bubble that's about to pop.
Steve, I don't have an argument. If you want to hear the truth regarding the larvae mitigation bank go to next weeks Planning Commission study session for the proposal and get the facts from the horses mouth.
It's not a secret plot. It's a mitigation bank. The project proponent has called it that. It's labelled as that on some documents. Unless they gave up on that idea.
with the biggest population boom to hit the bay area, i think the govenor will be forced to force all california citys to build , there is no other way.
The governor can't "force" cities to build anything. Neither can the legislature. Get real.
Pacifica will resist because we are special.
Right Toddler?
I find it ironic that the those who would shut down the golf course and support Plater's proposal to turn it into a mitigation bank would now not support such a thing in their own neck of the woods. Funny how the worm turns. Wonder if anyone realizes that any area given to a mitigation bank has to be fully fenced off and monitored 24hrs a day for any intrusions. A very costly undertaking.
Sharon - I never heard that the proposal to close the golf course and turn it into a park included a mitigation bank. Can you link to a reference that says that? A mitigation bank is a mechanism whereby developers can buy into the "bank" and get credit/exemptions for environmental impacts of their development somewhere else. If this kind of thing was proposed for the park that would replace the golf course, I'm not aware of it.
"It's not a secret plot. It's a mitigation bank."
The secret plot I was referring to was Todd's 3/31 @ 3:29 PM allegation that the developer was creating new wetlands in order to destroy wetlands elsewhere. I would like to know where the wetlands to be destroyed are,.
With people like Peter Loeb, Nancy Hall, Todd Bray, telling city council what to do Pacifica deserves to rot!
355 303 is right the faux-enviro nut jobs are resented by the average pacifican
501 Bull. The average Pacifican voted for Keener and Digre and others of their ideology time and time again. Now, if you're talking the average realtor, small time developer, associated trades, camp followers--well hell yes they resent the enviros. Lot of good it's done them.
634 I'm just an average homeowner. I can speak for myself and many neighbors and freinds that are tired of paying taxes to live in whats become a ghetto town. Hopefully this election will reflect
that sentiment and pass the Quarry village.
@ 3:13 in 2009 when the golf course war really got going Plater spoke before PROSAC in July pushing the idea of mitigation banking for the course and further stated in Ecology Center's Terrain magazine Sept 2009 issue that idea. You may also access Tetra Tek's report which a fair amount of explained mitigation banking and why it could not be done at Sharp Park. Had to do with violating the terms of the property as deeded to SF. You may also locate some of the excellent articles written by Paul Slavin regarding that issue and the fact that the neighborhood immediately surrounding the course is not interested in having a mosquito and vermin infested swap for a neighbor.
Awww 659, as a true average homeowner with three and a half decades in Pacifica watching this never-ending tug of war, that's sweet. All your little Easter eggs in one basket. Easter's over. You guys never learn and you really don't get what this town is about.
You know it's proven that eating meat is one of the biggest behaviors destroying this planet, the environment, endangered species and causing climate change. I think a few gang of fauxers could possibly cut back a little and it would be way more of an impact than this little itty bitty project. Todd go vegan.
No scratch that. Please keep eating that heart stopping, vein clogging, cholesterol buffet.
I guess my point is I believe most of you are full of crap (i.e. gluttony). Your motivations have more to do with destroying others plans (that have more than you) than truly caring about the environment, this town or it's people.
Ask the Hamburgler.
Right back at ya, 841. No shortage of faux ideology or greedy self-interest in this town or on this blog.
AWWW 820 Tell me what this town is all about,since you belittle families that don't want to raise children in a GHETTO.Easter may be over, but so are the 60's. You had your day.It's a ghettotown
Ghetto town? Pedro Point, Pacifica State Beach, Linda Mar, Park Pacifica, Rockaway, Mori Point, golf course, GGNRA, Vallemar, Fairway Park, Sharp Park, Manor, Fairmont -- it's all a ghetto town to you? Many people here see and appreciate the beauty and livability of Pacifica. I guess for some people, the glass is not only half empty, it's full of shit. I feel sorry for them.
garbage yards on the bluffs, fast food joints on the beach, chronic sewer leaks and flooding, walls falling in, intersections unpassable, potholes everywhere, known meth labs: sounds like ghetto town to me.
This town is full of shit. Full of shit dog owners, bleeding hearts for frogs snakes all BS. Take a walk
You know it's proven that eating meat is one of the biggest behaviors destroying this planet, the environment, endangered species and causing climate change.
Seriously you need to quit smoking that hippie weed.
That quite possibly is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
11:43
It's a town with broken down infrastructure. It's a town in debt up to the gills. It's a town with an understaffed police and fire department. It's a town with meth kids walking around all hours of the night, its a town with nothing to do for the teens, its a town that couldn't walk and chew bubble gum. It's a town with bureaucrats just using bailing wire, duct tape and bubble gum to hold the city together.
It's a town who city staff can't find their own asses if you gave them ten chances.
11:43 Pacifica haters gonna hate. Let it go.
What an ugly roll 101 is on. Long, repetitive, ugly roll. Don't know if it's pathological self-loathing or unrequited greed. Sucks to be him.
Can we get a side by side numbers comparison between this and the 06 project so we can shut Todd up rantinoning about this being bigger.
614, Smart Voter, Measure L 2006. "... includes a luxury hotel of up to 350 rooms and restaurant, retail, and commercial space; consists of up to 355 residential units of varying types; and includes a commitment from the developer that all of the elements of the project will be built, conditioned on receipt of all applicable regulatory approvals."
Plus the 2006 plan included a conceptualized downtown, including land gifted from the developer to build a City library.
According to this article, the new 2016 developer plan includes "181 apartments and 25 live-work units... and a 188 room hotel/conference center, retail, restaurant, entertainment site plaza and amphitheater. (Hence, there is much less housing, hotel rooms, retail and commercial space).
Bigger Quarry development? The new 2016 plan has "bigger" (a whole lot more) "open space". The 2006 plan estimate was 45% public open space, the new 2016 plan estimate is "at lease 75% permanent open space", (see Planning Commission Agenda, 4/4/16, page 4).
101 (anonymous big boy), we have a City staff that is doing their best to move development forward at this time, but as you mentioned (no thanks to prior NIMBY City Council majorities) there isn't much City revenue to work with.
pro , con or undecided go to Mondays Planning Commission study session and learn about this project.
Tom
You better take one of your 6x's out for this planning commission meeting.
5:46
Sux this. We got a cool $1,250,000 for our Pacifica crib.
955 I love a success story. Yours took a while, but you'll chirp from now on, right, Sunshine?
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