Pacifica Tribune Letters to the Editor, 4 /1/14. "Holiday Inn expansion benefits" by Bob Hutchinson
| Modern freeway, another naysayer dirt alternative to that fat multilane asphalt plan |
| Unfix existing and unbuilt structures requires only a little naysayer push, really... |
This small group tries to stop almost every project in this town. His friend, Peter Loeb, had a lawsuit to stop the highway widening that was also dismissed. These lawsuits and complaints have cost Pacifica dearly.
Be wary, they are trying to recruit Pacificans in their quest to stop Highway 1 safety modernization. Last week there were three letters stating the same untruths as to why we shouldn't do the widening. They blame traffic on the school kids and traffic lights, both of which have been proven not to be the cause of traffic every morning, evening and during the summer when school is out.
Traffic engineers, our City Council, the Chamber of Commerce, Caltrans, Pacifica businesses and 18,000 commuters want and deserve this urgently needed project that our EMT workers have said is a matter of life and death because it delays emergency response. Don't let this very small group of anti-everything protesters stop it. Please join our growing Facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/FixHighwayOne."
Note photographs: truck on a bakkie dirt road from Cape Town Daily Photo; girl pushing over the leaning tower of Pisa from Maybe too blonde a life in Europe.
Posted by Kathy Meeh
91 comments:
Kathy
How about a picture of the above mentioned building. Or a photo of the proposed new building?
Hutch
This Facebook group is private. You have to be a member of Facebook in order to see it.
Many people are not members of Facebook and can not see your site.
Yeah sorry about that 604. Most people I know are on Facebook. Some aren't, but we still have gotten quite a few people join.
You have to flip the facebook page to public instead of private
It is set to public and open. Some people are blocked though :)
Hey, where's your 99%? And I ask that as someone who is 100% in favor of additional hotels in Pacifica. The HIE once it is expanded from 38 to 82 rooms can put about $500,000 total TOT into the city's piggy bank EACH YEAR. Half a million from one hotel. And maybe those guests will find something in Pacifica to spend money on. Probably no more than a tank of gas and a soda, right? Nonetheless, hotels provide big TOT bucks and a few jobs, too. We need more hotels! The Rock, Beach Blvd., city owned property on Francisco. Build them and they will come when they see the rates in SF. Is your 99% stuck in traffic?
Hutch
The reason why no one has been able to beat the hippies, nooobeees and nimbys are they are far better organized.
Really 1243? Because we're already beating the hippies.
How about their protest last week? What 10 people showed up? They weren't organized enough to get there man Campbell elected to council effectively losing control. They weren't organized enough to stop council from choosing the landscaped median alternative, disbanding the open space committee and reigning in the planning commission. The Loeb and Bray complaints were thrown out. Highway one widening is moving forward.
Seems like one defeat after the next to me. Should I go on?
The city council will find new and unique ways to spend that $500,000.
An assistant city manager for $200k a year.
More consultants
Trails
and there are more of them than the Yessies
You know, you guys really need to stop calling opponents names. It's not helping your cause one bit. I've pointed 5 people over the last couple of months to your online insults like hippies, hobbits etc, and every one of them has switched from being reasonably pro-widening to reasonably non-widening. These are local Pacificans, born and bred, who see enough nasty name-calling in this country without seeing it locally too.
But if you can't see that your anger is doing damage, please go ahead. In fact, turn it up to 11 by all means. You're helping your opponents immensely.
@1:45 Then why did their candidate in the last election lose by a landslide?
I think with new people moving here and hippies moving out the demographic has changed a lot in the past 5 years. No longer do the hippies control the city council. That's big.
216 nice try, but we don't believe you. No one gives up an opportunity for Caltrans to fix the highway 1 bottleneck through Pacifica, vs. a true description of those who oppose all forms of significant progress and economic development in Pacifica. Personally I like the descriptive acronym NIMBY.
Feeling blue because you're being called-out? After 30 years of NIMBY spin that worked just fine to destroy the viability of this city, calling it what it is and was works just fine for those of us who want to save what's left of this city. "Save this city", that's us; "don't save this city", that's you. Clear enough? Got your feeling hurt, so sad.
Agree with Kathy 100%.
And "hippies" is more of a mindset than a look. Hell I protested the war in 69 and had long hair. But people here that think this is some communal experiment where we are going to tack on gigantic fees when you sell your house, or have no growth, or get out of our cars and shut down the highway, these are the hippies. And the have hobbled this town. Doesn't matter what they look like as long as they're in the rear view mirror.
In 1969 Hutch?
Damn are you old. I wasn't even born yet.
I wasn't even a thought or gleam in pops eye yet.
Sinclair Lewis used to say to his audiences: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
Conversely, "It is easy to get a man to understand something, when his livelihood depends upon his understanding it!"
Therefore, it is pointless to fight amongst the people of Pacifica. The productive thing would be to debate the pros and cons of this initiative and convince the public on the merits of such a development.
It wouldn't help anyone to name-call and or insult. At the end of the day, they too are Pacificans -- albeit wit a different point of view. But that is ok, we should all be able to work together!
216 Don't be an idiot. These are fantastic standard-bearers for the concrete crowd. Fabulous, baby, fabulous! Get 'em out front.
231 No, they just changed their disguise.
Libertart 429, huh, we should debate this already fully researched, fully vetted, several decades known Pacifica traffic bottleneck problem? The opportunity to fix it is now (not in the past, not with zero future assurance, but now).
Did "someone" miss the public meetings, the available web research report, and the formal and informal public input over the past 10 years?
I'm not saying your comment is disingenuous, and I'm not calling you names, but your comment is a classic NIMBY "delay to defeat" tactic. If you're insulted, you're doing that to yourself.
Now that this project is at the build stage, people in this city (and those who drive through this city) deserve better than NIMBIES doing what they always do to screw-up progress. Is that insulting, I hope so.
I don't really understand how you people say, this council is different, this council isn't a hippie noooobeee and nimby council and only Sue is the only noooobeee on the council.
What has Mary Ann done?
What has Karen done?
What has Lennie done?
What has Mikey O'Neal done?
I like Sue as a person. Her and her husband probably have done more for people than everyone who posts on this board combined. I just think being on a council, muncipal finance, budgets contracts and litigation is just so far over her head her head starts to spin.
Libertard
We tried that, they called it the hippie summit. Nothing was done, all the noobees nimbys and hippies want to talk about is how they know what is best for Pacifica.
Pacifica should be Carmel by the Sea but it is little trailer park by the sea.
For the record, I am for widening the freeway and building appropriate sound barriers.
But I do not think that other Pacificans should be insulted or name called in the process. It doesn't help anyone. And the negativity also shuts off others to the merits of the project under consideration.
Popular vote matters. And popular vote is gathered by merit and better marketing.
Name calling is neither merit nor better marketing.
Lubertard
Why color is the sky in your world?
6:00 Carmel by the Sea? Maybe if you could magically erase the uglification of Pacifica that's taken place over the last 50 years. Cheap housing rotting in place all over town, hideous shopping center at Manor to welcome visitors. The zoning had to be drug-induced. Any land with development potential or a beautiful view was either given away or we slapped a sewer plant on it. Carmel? Hey, maybe we could get Clint Eastwood to be Mayor. I'd pay to see him run a council meeting.
1003 is posting under the influence again.
There are different mindsets.
Carmel by the sea=let's get people to come for the weekend and drop a grand in town.
Pacifica=let's hope they stop and buy a Five dollar sandwich.
Carmel by the sea=let's make money off the tourists.
Pacifica=making money is being a capitalist bad bad bad.
Carmel by the sea=let's get people to spend a couple hundred bucks for dinner.
Pacifica=let's hope they drop $5 at Taco Bell.
Carmel by the sea=mayor Clint.
Pacifica= mayor Loeb,Howard, stone, degarnatt.
Carmel by the sea=progressive vibrant city.
Pacifica=dying city.
Carmel by the sea=risk takers.
Pacifica=shit takers.
Carmel by the sea=beach town that takes advantage of being a beach town.
Pacifica=watches tourist drive through town.
It's mostly geography. We're not as
pretty as Carmel and we're too close to SF, a really pretty and exciting place. The cavalcade of mayors sharing a brain probably didn't help much, but what about all the other mayors before and after? No brain? Or could they still be sharing with the you know who? We seem destined to be a place you drive through quickly, maybe grab a taco and a tank, or, we're just a funky place to commute from.
We can't be a Carmel but we could easily be a Santa Cruz and a place to stay close to SF
@8:31
I think Pacifica did not quite make the attempt to attract rich retirees in the past.
We also do not have as large a coast line compared to say Santa Cruz or even HMB. The two useable beaches are Linda Mar and Rockaway. And both are crowded with blight unlike SC or Carmel.
No one has taken care to define an architecture and character of Pacifica. For instance, if you go to Santa Barbara or San Luis Obispo or Carmel .. each of these towns has inculcated a character that attracts money from far and wide.
Pacifica has natural beauty. But it is a long way from attracting sound and old money.
With middle class settlers its in the middle hell of fending with what is available while being unable to attract outsiders. This is perhaps why the population has stayed constant for the last 30 yrs despite growth in the rest of bay area.
The population stayed the same cause the 'gang of no' and the 'no city councils' gave all the prime land away.
Peter Loebs, poison pill in the quarry
mori's point
Hutch
most of santa cruz is a shithole. Downtown looks like hell after a busy weekend.
This city council has done nothing to bring any tourist dollars or any dollars into the city.
The chamber has done nothing to bring any money or tourist dollars into the city.
Thus this council is just as bad as past hippy "councils of no"
Carmel by the Sea= let's let dogs run free off leash on our beautiful white sand beaches
Pacifica= let's charge for parking to hire Someone to give tickets to off leash dogs on our dirt sand beaches.
Remove all of the crap from the old Waste Water Treatment Plant.
Lease this ocean front property next to the golf course, 20 minutes from SFO and SF for $1 a year for 10 years to a "top shelf" boutique hotelier. Create an enterprise zone on Palmetto Ave within a mile radius of this site with no business taxes for 10 years and watch the transformation begin.
It's called investment you brain dead wonders. Any progressive city in America does it's fair share of this to make positive things happen.
Hotels, hotels, hotels. That 12% TOT is the best thing to happen in decades. Encourage the construction of new ones on some of this underused city-owned property and make sure the old ones are kept up.
We are perfectly located to take SFs overload, or the budget-minded, without trying to reinvent the wheel here. This town has always suffered from a tendency to over-think things which of course leads to absolutely no progress.
@1:28
Ideas are like elbows. Most people have at least two.
1:28
It is Pacifica. The land that time forgot!
The council doesn't realize that if a nice hotel goes in at the old waste water treatment plant, the area around it will start to improve. Then you can improve Palmetto. Then you can get some stores and shops that people will want to go into.
The council has their minds made up about the pie in the sky library project at the waste water treatment plant. This scheme is as bad as the Jimmy Vreeland City Hall project by the sea.
128 Yes!!!It doesn't even have to be a "top shelf boutique hotel" . Consider the ugly approach, raw looking neighborhood, active sewer pump on site and keep it simple. Nice, solid 3 star chain property, 80 rms could bring in nearly half a million in TOT each year. Two or three of those of those and we'd be ok. Big bonus in that it's a minimal hit to services.
1045 A dirtier looking town than Santa Cruz you could not find. They make a few bucks off tourists and some light industry, but their cash cow is UC Santa Cruz.
It used to be called redevelopment. It did so well in Pacifica.
232 Different name, same game. Ambitious politicians need to put their name on something and it's not going to be a hotel. If they put half as much conniving and energy into helping Pacifica prosper, we wouldn't be flat ass broke.
Pacifica's idea of making lots of money.Rows of newpaper machines. An empty coke machine, and the Taco Bell on the Beach.
Fancy boutique hotel? There? LMAO.
Ambitious politicians need to put their name on something and it's not going to be a hotel. If they put half as much conniving and energy into helping Pacifica prosper, we wouldn't be flat ass broke.
1. The sewer plant.
2. The police station
3. The pier.
All have a plaque in front with city council's past on it.
The sewer plant never really worked right.
The police station=cost over runs, signed off by the cowboy and Jimmy V.
The pier is falling into the ocean.
That's how we roll in Pacifica.
829 Plaque opportunities coming up include a library/councilchambers taj mahal and the sewage overflow tank at Linda Mar.
Been out of town, but heard that the LM Center area flooded again during the recent heavy rains. Is that really where a sewer overflow pond should be built?
5:29
It was more of a flash flood. 2 different stories I have heard.
One the creek overflowed briefly and filled up parts of the parking lot about to car front bumper height.
The other story is the tanbark from the center of Linda Mar Blvd cloged up the drains.
It was nothing like the 1982-1983 flood.
The video from KTVU was on riptide.
Redevelopment in Pacifica would have worked just fine if the NOBIES hadn't killed it off with their "poison pills".
*no housing in the Quarry without a vote.
* no WWTP development without Vreelands beach front City Hall.
* no WWTP development without a new library.
These selfish bastards will stop at nothing to get their way.
Excuse me but which ones are the nobies/nimbys/hippies? This is a Zombie Council. I mean here we are several long years into the New and Improved Council and we still have a poison pill in place for the quarry (why hasn't that been challenged by council) and the ghost of Vreeland is alive and well in the OWWTP. We've certainly not been sullied by economic development--Jim would be so proud. Some meaningless chair shuffling for the gullible, but nothing's really changed.
The Wastewater Treatment Plant and library project are not tied to each other. And what is a Taj Mahal library anyway?
936 You're right. The library/council chambers is a separate project and, if funding is found, could go forward alone. How long can that parcel be tied up waiting for funding? How much more attractive would that site be to a developer if it were whole and didn't have a public building stuck on it?
Taj Mahal Library/Council chambers?
Just a guess, but I'd say it implies a grandiose mausoleum. Very fitting.
30 million dollars for a 30,000 square foot library and city council chambers in fricken insane.
1. The city can dump $5 million into remodeling the 2 libraries and bring them into 2014.
2. The city can lease space in Eureka Square Park Mall and probably in 2-3 shopping centers at a much lower cost. The Linda Mar Library was in Linda Mar Shopping Center.
3. A state of the art building minus the city chamber taj mahal should cost about $10-$15 million dollars to build.
4. Comcast offers cable internet for low income households for $9.95 a month. Even if the city picked up half of that, it goes a long way into get more low income households online.
5. The library on the Old Waste Water site is another Pacifica "lets taint the site so no builder will want it"
6. When the Library Group was talking to City Council about a 30 million dollar bond for the library "sneaky Pete" Dejarnatt said, well if you can find $10 million or so for the city, we can take it also.
7. A broke city with many infastructure problems and issues, bad roads, aging sewer plant and againg sewer system under city streets need attention before the pie in the sky library.
8. What ever happened to City Hall being unsafe for employees and being filled with mold? I remember city council screaming from the rooftops when they wanted the pie in the sky City Hall at the Old Waste Water Treatment plant.
9. The appraisal on the property which clearly states the "highest and best use" for the property was hidden from the public for years, dispute multiple requests.
10. This city council can not be trusted with additional money and the city is up to the brim with debt.
A 30 million dollar building that we can't afford. That's what Taj Mahal means. The library needs to go.
Wow! Not hearing a lotta love for the library. IMO, libraries are good for communities. Burlingame is sinking 3 million into doing some renovations on their library. HMB is working on a new library project.
556 Your item #5 is so true. Pacifica suffers still from enviro DNA. If they can't give the developable land away, then they compromise its value and marketability by using it for public facilities. Most glaring examples are the WWTP in the quarry, the plan for a library/council chambers taj mahal on Beach Blvd and now this sewage tank on LMBlvd across from the shopping center. This tactic, along with poison pills, must appear in some green manifesto along with how to attract support and build consensus with voters who think it's all about a library, or it was about moving a stinker out of their neighborhood, or having no other choice. It's in
Council's DNA. They couldn't develop a head cold.
Half Moon Bay and Burlingame have money and commerce!
Pacifica does not.
Next
Let's not forget how much money this city has spent on plans for Beach Blvd. During the first Vreeland dynasty, about $400,000 was spent on plans for a grand council chamber. During today's shadow dynasty (show me how it's different) another $400,000 is being spent for plans. Of course, this time the egos are wrapped in a library because who doesn't love libraries? It's a warm fuzzy. And it comes with fired-up, well-connected volunteers ready to get that $35 million dollar bond passed. You should expect to be communicated with, a lot. These estimates are in reality probably low. Of course we've been told with attitude that it's not real money that could be used elsewhere in the kingdom, no, it's pistachios. Apparently, these vendors, architects, consultants, accept pistachios. Yeah.
11:53 I think most people are against it. Council would know that if they are listening. They better not try and float a bond without a vote. We don't need a $30 M glorified meeting hall on prime beachfront real estate. I'm against any use of that property other than commercial. And a broke a55 town doesn't need to create more debt. Get some grants and fix up the old libraries and forget about Vreelands Folie.
While we're at it what about the old Ed Cordero lot? free that up along with the lot across from the Little Brown Church. Let's start generating some more hotel tax with all this surplus land the city is wasting.
1153 Libraries are great for communities that can afford them. We're not Burlingame or even HMB. Not only is their current fiscal situation much better than ours, but their future economic prospects are incredibly better than ours. Building this library/council complex is irresponsible. Council has no problem with the idea because they'll be around for the euphoria and the plaques and photos and long gone by the time the bill is due. Irresponsible. Plenty of room for council and some city offices at that over-sized, under-utilized
police station that isn't paid for. That was how an earlier council sold that idea to the public. Don't even need to add a second story, just make better use of the space. Council meetings at the community center. We're broke, probably for decades, and we'd better start acting like it.
Pacifica is broke. We have a 60% chance of a strong EL Nino winter next year.
Everything in Pacifica has cost overruns.
The sewer plant
The police station
Beach Blvd retaining wall that should really be a sea wall
Beach Blvd Hand rails.
Palmetto still looks the same. They just put a few of the overhead wires underground.
BFD!
This Council just repackaged a Vreeland project. Same motivation and same methods learned from the master.
Actually the grand masters were Peter Loeb, Fred Howard and all those bozo's on city council.
Save our hills
Friends of the hills
the frog lovers
the snake lovers
the tree lovers
the butterfly lovers
the snowy plover lovers
the sea gull lovers
the raven and crow lovers
Hutch, if there's a way for them to fund it without a public vote, they'll find it. Don't forget they hired a CM who oversaw every aspect of building in WC. Can she do it in a town that's broke? Time will tell. IMHO if they find a way to circumvent a public vote on a massive public debt it would make them easy targets for the mother of all recalls. It would be mainstream this time, not fringe.
I agree with you 100% that hotels could lead a Pacifica recovery. That TOT is the only bright spot in our finances. We can't cut our way to solvency, we have to generate revenue and soon. Beach Blvd, the Cordero property, City Hall and the offices and empty lot on Francisco should be used to generate revenue. Move employees into the police station and community center. Big improvement in their lives. Hire the expertise to make this kind of growth happen. We're a natural to pick up the hotel overflow from SF or those with sticker shock. It's obvious we're not a natural for anything else.
331 Well, they can rest easy because the current bunch is carrying on the tradition and we are as broke as ever.
Actually, even if what you say is true 331, it in no way excuses the failure to act by our city councils of the last 6 years. They failed to make critical cuts and changes during the recession when they would have been bullet-proof. As we now emerge from the recession, they can't do anything except spend, try to raise taxes, and attempt to saddle us with more debt.
Is it that they really are as opposed to development as those Grandmasters you cite-- but hide it better, or are they simply incompetent? Pacifica loses either way.
The just don't have the mind set to turn Pacifica into the cash cow it could be.
Pacifica is the only beach town on the west coast that does not take advantage of being a beach town.
They do the paid parking at Linda Mar Beach, what do the deadbeats do? They clog up Linda Mar Shopping Center so they can save a few bucks. Pedro Point Shopping Center is half full of surfers. I don't want to see surfers asses changing out of the wet suits when I go to Pedro Point.
Changing rooms are way too above the ability and scope of knowledge by these bozos.
I'm not sure how a large multipurpose meeting space in the proposed library, that can be divided into three smaller meeting spaces, and with a dais at one end for City Council meetings, can be called a 15 million dollar City Council complex.
5:10
We need a 30 million dollar library to go along with the 50 million dollar poop plant.
Someone told them the library will be "state of the art"
They fell for the dog and pony show once again.
The other thing. Mary Ann, tells people the library is #1 on the city priority list. She lives around the corner and has to recluse herself. Then she tells people I know the taxypayers won't give us the votes for the bond.
Classic Vreeland, she was his capaign manager, talk out of all 4 sides of your mouth at once.
510 Good point. Let's just call the whole thing a library/council chambers Taj Mahal and not quibble over how modest Council's new digs would be. If ever there were a symbol of what is wrong with this town and this council, that project is it. Prime city owned real estate wasted on a public building. The project was pure ego in its first incarnation under Vreeland, and repackaged for maximum public appeal, it still is. The ghost of Vreeland is alive and well at the OWWTP and on this council. Continuing poverty is assured.
Let's not. I'm sorry that you don't seem to see any value in a library, but maybe the 24000 or so Pacificans who hold library cards see it a bit differently.
"Look at these f***en beams"
Words muttered from Jimmy Vreeland, during a meeting at city council chambers.
Keep in mind he was speaking to numerous city business women.
832 I think most Pacificans see the value of a library. It's just not 30 million.
Do you mean it's just not worth 30 million?
Depending on the bond measure the cost to a homeowner could range from 2 dollars a month to 14 dollars a month.
832 My my, just a suggestion, but you might want to tone down that elitist simper before you launch your campaign. Reminiscent of that V thing. I'm one of the 24,000 library cardholders and I use mine. Lifelong library user, decades, in several countries and half a dozen states. Perhaps that's why I know a bad idea when I hear one. Yours, is a very bad idea. And to mistake a sense of financial prudence, and a concern for responsible government, with a lack of appreciation for libraries, well, it speaks volumes about you and your priorities for Pacifica.
Cheap fix? Engrave a couple plaques with council's names and stick them on the very popular present libraries. Both of them. Then get that entire Beach Blvd property on the market. Too bad we can't get a refund on those plans. That money would have kept us afloat another year at least.
Nihart was Vreelands campaign manager? Light bulb. On.
People need to get over their Vreeland obsession. He's been out of the picture for years.
The damage from Vreelands economics will haunt this city forever.
The Pacifica brain trust over on Riptide led by their fearless leader Peter Loeb are all denying that the "gang of no' exists.
Now they are worried about Pacifica businesses that will lose parking due to the Highway 1 improvements.
Too little too late nimbys noobees and hippies you did unrepairable damage to the city.
443 IMHO these are the specific decisions that make Pacifica what it is today and determine its future.
Highway placement through the heart of Manor
No 380 connection
Sweeney Ridge given to GGNRA
Mori's Point given to GGNRA
WWTP moved to the quarry
Longterm legal looting of the sewer tax fund to augment the general fund
Failure to use redevelopment
Loss of a highly qualified finance director at a most critical time (2006 or 2007)
Fix up the libraries that we have and save about $25,000,000.
Lease WWTP for $1 per year for 10 years to Ritz-Carleton.
Create tax free zone within mile radius for 5 years.
Invite Recology to relocate.
Make sure the nuts don't close Sharp Park Golf Course.
Watch the transition begin.
Or just keep arguing with the NOBIES for another 10 years and we will still be in the same place.
632 And call it the Shitz-Carlton? C'mon that area is more like Best Western territory. We'd still make plenty of money on TOT. Fast forward 10 years...it's remains a hole in the ground or it's no longer beach front but actual beach!
Chris Porter
I heard a rumor that your office is going to move to daly city. The new serramonte plaza project.
7:14
Beggars can't be choosers. I will take motel no tell or rent by the hour hotel by the sea.
The city join all their grand awareness allowed the prarcel that the Sanchez library sits on be ruined. Plenty of land their between park mall and alicante.
Does anyone know if the city or county owns the parcel.
Peter Loeb is crying crocodile tears about businesses being closed or losing parking. He should have thought about this 35 years ago. His posts are getting more and more bizarre.
747 Duh. Beggars need to be realistic. We're already in lala land assuming anything will ever be built there, let alone a posh hotel.
Something from the three star class would fit in nicely and probably have high occupancy and lots of TOT.
But in a pinch one of your suggestions will also bring in cash.
752 Ruined? Did you notice the popular library and much-used church with a day care center between Park Mall and Alicante? I've been told the library parcel is city owned and is restricted to community use such as a libary or recreation facility. Not sure about the large parcel the church is on. "Ruined" would be what we have on Beach Blvd. Well into our second decade there. Or how about all that city property on Francisco and Santa Maria? Prime stuff for city offices and an empty parking lot.
12:46
Ruined wasted taited. Walk around that parcel. The church and library should have been in one corner and apartments either senior or free market rentals should have been in that parcel.
Park Mall looks like a Bangladesh street bazaar. Please drive behind Park Mall and see the piles of garbage and trash. Nothing Is uniform nothing matched and even the signs out front of the businesses look mismatched and confusing.
St Peters wanted to sell the parcel on the corner of Linda Mar and Rosita for housing and the hippies nooobees and nimbys started screaming from the roof tops. Traffic and good project bad location manta all over again. This project went to the Pacifica project graveyard with the rest of them.
Hey, April 7, 10:11--"elitist simper"?
Really?? Shades of Lady Mary Cawley!
Welcome to Fix Pacifica where, if you can't make your point without insults or name calling, why make it at all?
319, feeling sorry for yourself today? You did receive return comments from other Anonymous people on April 7th. "Elitist simper" is no real name calling, and the insults about blog comments you did not like seem to have come from from you at 319.
Your comment, 8:32 pm, "Let's not. I'm sorry that you don't seem to see any value in a library, but maybe the 24000 or so Pacificans who hold library cards see it a bit differently." Followed by a reasonable reply, 9:06 pm, "832 I think most Pacificans see the value of a library. It's just not 30 million."
Your follow-up comment, 9:34 pm, "Do you mean it's just not worth 30 million? Depending on the bond measure the cost to a homeowner could range from 2 dollars a month to 14 dollars a month." Followed by another reply, 10:11 pm, "832, "My my, just a suggestion, but you might want to tone down that elitist simper before you launch your campaign. Reminiscent of that V thing. I'm one of the 24,000 library cardholders and I use mine. Lifelong library user, decades, in several countries and half a dozen states. Perhaps that's why I know a bad idea when I hear one. Yours, is a very bad idea. And to mistake a sense of financial prudence, and a concern for responsible government, with a lack of appreciation for libraries, well, it speaks volumes about you and your priorities for Pacifica."
Then again, there are a whole lot of comments here. Of course, the city needs to hire that economic development director city council promised last year, so that eventually the city can afford to build the library you desire (at least show good faith in cost sharing). Plus we still need a library in the Linda Mar/Park Pacifica area.
Another anonymous suggested improving the existing libraries. Most of us 24,000 library cardholders are able to access information and books through the library system, or on or through the internet. And if more room is needed to provide after school day care or study, possibly the schools could/should provide that.
Kathy
How bout a post tomorrow, reminding people to pay the county tax bill!
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