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| Thanks for years of excellent service Dave & Lou's! |
"What is happening at Dave & Lou's Service Station in Linda Mar? Pacificans saw heavy equipment on the site last week and wondered what work was being done.
| A 7-11 convenience store may replace Dave and Lou's Valero |
Related - Pacifica Tribune/Jane Northrop, Staff Writer, 5/19/11, "Dave and Lou's Service Station: 50+ years of courtesy and expert car care."
Note Pacifica photographs. 7-11 convenience store sign from Foursquare, West Sharp Park. Dave and Lou's Valero gas/service station by Aaron R. from Yelp.
Posted by Kathy Meeh
80 comments:
The hippies nimbys and noobees hate to see anyone make any money. Pathetic.
The guy put in his time at HIS property and you goons are telling him what to do. His dad built the station from the ground up. You people are petty pathetic and miserable in your minimum wage jobs.
"Yosemite" Sam Casitas and Jennifer Ball are all wound up about Highway 1 over on Riptide.
Tom Clifford recently stated at a Planning Commission Meeting
"The Planning Department works for the People... the Applicant represents themselves".
One questions how the Planning Department's obfuscation of the multiple 7-Eleven projects simultaneously at work in this City could possibly serve the people or even the goals of the Planning Commission-- which itself was kept uninformed about this project until June 1, 2015?
Mr. Murdock worked extensively with 7-Eleven Inc in his previous job as an Associate City Planner for the City of Mission Viejo, and has been working to install the Dave & Lou's 7-Eleven location since August 2014.
Mr Murdock recently misrepresented this to the Pacifica Tribune saying he was unaware of the status of the project, when in actuality he had personally been coordinating both the 700 Fairmont and Dave & Lou's 7-Eleven location since August 2014.
700 Hickey residents were notified about the 7-Eleven Inc going into their neighborhood when the Planning Department notified a total of three residents in a nearby census tract by mail a week before... not a single resident in the high density 6027 census tract where that 7-Eleven will be was notified.
That census tract also has the highest percentage of minority residents who don't speak English at home:
http://www.pacifica.city/images/demographics_red_600.jpg
Some would call 7-Eleven's puppeteering of Mr. Murdock malfeasance...
I call it shameful - the residents of the Fairmont and Linda Mar Neighborhoods deserve better.
SOURCE:
Mission Viejo 7-Eleven store location draws residents' criticism
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/eleven-370859-city-neighborhood.html
Christian Murdock Associate Planner Mission Viejo:
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2011/mission-viejo/christian-murdock/
I love it when the haters on this blog attack the people who are concerned about the proliferation of 7-11's. They have legitimate concerns about 7-11's as bad neighbors. But go ahead and call them hippies, nimbys, noobees, goons, petty pathetic and miserable and working in minimum wage jobs. It just makes them more determined to prove you don't know what you're talking about.
IMHO a huge, 2 story 24 hour 7-11 with gas, booze and signage that can be seen from space is the perfect neighbor to a huge poop pit and a half-empty shopping center. This slurpie stinks!
Perfect Gateway for Pacifica. Now, if any truth to rumors about Manor Safeway, can we get the cheesiest bargain grocery in there? A Family Dollar store? Mega-thrift shop?
The current owners have every right to sell their property to whom ever they wish. However, I for one, would like to see something more aesthetic built on that high profile corner rather than just another 7-11.
@9:04 Sadly, I think that may be closer to the truth than rumor.
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"Now, if any truth to rumors about Manor Safeway, can we get the cheesiest bargain grocery in there? A Family Dollar store? Mega-thrift shop? "
- Anonymous July 9, 2015 at 9:08 AM
Pacific city @749 am. So are we to assume that Mr Murdoch left his $21,365 part-time job in Mission Viejo to accept a planning job with Pacifica to act as a shill for the 7-11 Corporation? Seems absolutely diabolical; also entirely plausible that he might also be a paid consultant for 7-11.
After landing Pacifica four 7-11's, where might he go next?
Given that property is so close to Linda Mar Beach, and the southern point of entry to the city, it should be home to a collection of tourist oriented shops, restaurants and local wares that would be a magnet for residents as well and the real anchor for Pacifica - but NO, some of you argue on behalf of a slum inducing 7-11 simply because it lines the pocket of n outside developer - who no doubt is paying you to lobby for this crap hole. Property rights doesn't trump the quality of life for the rest of us. If a 7-11 goes in there I say park a police car right in front and tax the hell out of 'em. In this case I'm with the NIMBY's. Yeah, right, no attack me for having an opinion, that's what a-holes do.
2:00 I don't know Murdock from Donald Duck, perhaps all these 7-11s are the result of harmonic convergence or good research. Still, you'd be amazed at the number of public employees who land better jobs in private industry or with larger public entities like CalTrans, UC, etc. because they know how things work in complex organizations. Very common among ex-military and DOD. Double and triple-dippers not uncommon. As with any career, the right contacts just as important as the right skill set.
200 No se senor, but I bet slurpies are hard to find in Sausalito, Tiburon and Belvedere.
I get to chime in now. I hate the thought of a 7-11 there. Where do I sign the petition?
I want something original, cute, touristy, and caters to highway travelers. Like we used to have 100's of years ago; a place that sells gas, sand buckets, sandals, hats,keychains, shot glasses, beach balls, cold beer, wine, ice cream, smoothies, hot dogs and hamburgers. Come on. Someone. Not 7-11.
Don't blow a gasket 259. It's the old love me, love my dog. For some the bona fides for not being a nimby are being in clueless favor of every piece of crap on the drawing board. You're either with 'em or ag'in 'em, bubba. They ain't gonna sort it out.
You think maybe the city's plans for the poop pit have made Dave and Lou's valuable corner less valuable because it's less usable? Maybe 7-11 is the best deal they'll get? If that's a factor, who can blame them for making the best deal they can? We're run by spineless idiots and we'll get the ugly, unappealing city we deserve.
Anyone know if the 7-Eleven at Linda Mar is going to keep the pumps and sell gas?
I need to make one minor correction to www Pacifica City's post this morning. What I said at the Planning Commission meeting was that the Planning Department represents the City ,the applicant represent themselves and The Planning Commission represents the people of Pacifica.
I seriously doubt that Christian Murdock is doing anything other then his job, which is to process the applications submitted to the City.
As for the 7-11 at the Dave & Lou's site it does not measure up to what I had hoped would be built on that and the adjacent sites. I have for years advocated that the Park&ride be transformed into a multi-story transit village with a plaza on the street,visitor serving shops on the first floor and beach front Condo's above that.
A Bart bus bridge would provide a link with the rest of the bay area. $$$$
@SteveSinai, yes, the 505 Linda Mar Blvd (Dave & Lous) 7-Eleven will apply with gas pumps and an fuel island with canopy at the sidewalk for 24 hour service and a type 21 off sale ABC license that would allow them to sell wine and beer.
The building would be demolished and double in height from 14' to 28'6", blocking views of up to 52 surrounding homes. At the top of the "tower element" there will be two 13' x 3' signs lit up 24 hours a day. facing Denny's and the Beach... and the federally protected wetlands 100 feet away.
The current road behind the building, called a maintenance alley, would cease to exist, and the building would have a 3' setback from the rear property line, so that building would be within thirty feet of the house behind it.
The current 40' setback from the dry (non-ocean) side of the Cabrillo Highway sidewalk would go to 5' back from the highway sidewalk.
All automotive repair at the site would cease.
Here's roughly what it will look like, laid over the current Dave & Lou's site.
http://www.pacifica.city/images/mona_lisa_200.jpg
I think that's the primary objective, Steve.
Many gas stations are adding what are essentially mini-7-11's, so 7-11's strategy to fight back seems to be to add gas stations.
@3:20 I'm not sure about Tiburon or Belvedere, but there were two 7 11 stores in Sausalito when I lived there, so slurpies weren't hard to find at all. What was the amount of your bet again?
Pay attention:
Manor Safeway becomes Lucky California just like the store on mission street in daly city.
Linda Mar Safeway stays the same.
Fairmont Lucky closes.
Pacifica.city --isn't proximity to housing another thing the ABC has to consider when deciding whether to issue a liquor license? Also, the huge tower is not anything more than a GIANT sign, which seems to totally violate the city's sign ordinance. (It is not like the tower will serve any other purpose other than advertising.)
So many things wrong with this plan. Yes, Dave and Lou can sell to whomever they want, but 7-11 does not have an unfettered right to (1) have a liquor license (many 7-11s do not), or (2) build a structure that does not blend into -- and will permanently destroy00 the look and feel of the neighborhood.
Thank you for your efforts to stop the madness.
Not the end of the world. The Pedro Pointers can just keep their eyes on the ocean. Tom Clifford's idea would be much better for Pacifica. Of course anything like that has zero chance because it's too smart. Not how we do things in this town. Wonder what the new Economic Dev Mngr has to say about this.
Tom Clifford's general planning ideas for this City continue to provide a shining ideal of what this City could be. Examples include both his 728pm comment, and his prior comment about hotels along north Palmetto Avenue (East side). Wow!
Meantime, 7-Eleven convenience stores in this City. This afternoon driving Linda Mar Blvd to Highway 1, it seems the rough image provided by 734pm pacific.city
7-Eleven convenience store/gas station might be an architectural improvement to Dave & Lou's Valero station, with the added convenience of a small grocery store. The convenience of the automotive repair service in that area will be missed, however.
The proposed 7-Eleven 28.6' tower is within the City height limit (or may be adjusted in Planning along with signage). And Linda Mar shopping center is generally accessed by those who live in the south part of town; as well as those who drive Highway 1, including residents of the coastside (Moss Beach - HMB area).
As for the 749am pacifica.city comments regarding our smart, savvy, competent Associate City Planner, Christian Murdock, AICP, here's a more balanced view from his Linkedin account.
Ditto the solid 728pm comment from Tom Clifford: "I seriously doubt that Christian Murdock is doing anything other then his job, which is to process the applications submitted to the City."
Which brings us to a few outstanding questions for you (prompted by your comments and actions), equally intelligent "pacifica.city":
1. What is your educational-work background?
2. How is it that you seem to have priority 7-Eleven information, (separate from the general public)?
3. What is the real reason you have forged a campaign, seemingly against all 7-Eleven convenience stores?
4. Do you hold a grudge against 7-Eleven Corporation, if so why?
5. Are you receiving monetary compensation ($$) for your anti-7-Eleven efforts?
6. Why would you seemingly attempt to mischaracterize (scapegoat) a competent member of the Planning Department?
And 824, ".. destroyoo.. the neighborhood", really, that neighborhood? Other changes, business updates too are happening in this City, in other cities; all over the Region, State, USA, the world, and even outer space-- mind-boggling isn't it?
Don't we have a Quik Stop Market 1/4 mile down the road at Crespi Drive??? Gee why don't we put another mini-market in a dying shopping center that has been run by one realty Company called Kimco. Those folks are driving everyone out of town with outrageous rental fees so high it would drive Howard Hughes broke. Now we want another mini-market on a corner of the highway. Can't anyone come up with anything better then that ??? Planning Commission stop sitting on your hands let's do something, BEFORE KIMCO REALTY BUYS UP THAT LOT.
Thanks for your questions Kathy,
Since you ask, I am a computer programmer with a related dual masters from a State University. I am neither a public figure nor a city employee.
Any and all efforts have been funded solely by myself and the sweat equity of several hardworking Linda Mar and Fairmont residents, and contributors to Pacifica.city have more than 300 years combined residency in this city.
My efforts helping residents of the Fairmont evolved solely from two senior residents on crutches who asked for help fighting against a company with annual revenues of $15.5 billion that wasn't playing fair.
I mill and drill a lot of public databases, file public records requests and sometimes post the vetted work of other contributor(s) to Pacifica.city that have done the same to regarding the 700 Hickey locations.
I was unfamiliar with 7-Eleven Inc stores prior to discovering they were moving into the neighborhood.
24 hours before the 700 Hickey Location out of blatant curiosity I visited several 7-Elevens and was so appalled by what a bad neighbor they were I registered Pacifica.city an hour before the Planning Commission meeting and posted these photos:
http://pacifica.city/photos.html
The same 7-Eleven Inc threatened to sue the City of San Mateo for $8.6M when they revoked their permits (applied for by the exact same applicant Katy Schardt)- I want to make sure Pacifica never has a chance to lose that kind of money.
I strongly urge Mr. Murdock (and Mr. Murdock only) to correct any errors he believes I have made.
Overall I like the Planning Department, feel that Tina Wehrmeister was an excellent hire, and am inclined to believe Mr. Murdock is a rogue employee.
I think the City Council members are both capable and capable of working with each other to solve most of this City's problems, BUT I also believe they should probably be full-salaried employees (most make $7500 a year) solving City problems full time.
As the City stands, City Manager Lori Tinfow also makes an astonishing array of micro decisions (like the new Police Chief being named next week) that affect this City and I have found her to be both informed and capable.
That is all, thanks.
http://www.Pacifica.city
Can't we get a petition going to have 7-11 take over the Fresh & Easy location? That way I won't have to cross Highway 1 to buy my beer?
Chevron is buying up independent gas stations all over the place and turning them into "Extra Mile" branded mini-markets with gas. (Vallemar is just one example.)
The Shell at the corner of Fassler & Hwy 1 uses the same formula.
That's just what's happening to gas stations, so why should it be any worse to have it be branded (with a big sign) as a 7-11 rather than as a Shell or Chevron or Valero? I don't know what all the fuss is about!
4. Do you hold a grudge against 7-Eleven Corporation, if so why?
7-11 wouldn't hire them. They were under qualified!!
Hi Kathy, did my 12:15am response to your six questions not go through?
I see replies from seven hours at 7:12am later but not the answers you asked for.
If you need them again let me know.
Meeh is upset that you are a legitimate person with concerns about what is happening in Pacifica and NOT a shill for a corporation - something she is used to seeing with the people around her. Meeh's real intention is to "call you out", get as much info on you as possible in order to build a profile so you can be identified and then harassed and threatened by her cabal of pro-real estate posters. It's the reason everyone continues to post anonymously here - because although they will try to shame you into posting with your real name. the history of this blog as a virtual vicious pit-bull is well documented. I expect we will now see on-going speculation as to who you really are. Get ready to play a very nasty game.
Is this the same Christian Murdock who is listed as an Administrative Analyst in San Francisco (2013)at an annual salary (with benefits) of $132.000 plus? What is Pacifica's Christian Murdock's salary in 2015?
744, pacifica.city, thank you for your 1216 response to my 1030 comment, which was found in spam. Once in a while Google does that. Not me this time.
Hopefully the Lorie Tinfow, City Manager Team will be able to make a positive infrastructure difference in this City. Unfortunately weak City Councils with part-time stipend salaries exist throughout San Mateo County.
7-Eleven will work through the process, and choose to takeover the Dave & Lou's site or not. And our fully qualified City Associate Planner Christian Murdock, AICP, will likely survive your personal criticism.
1040 "that's what you say". Fix Pacifica represents hope for City survival. For those of you who have worked so hard to keep this city poor and dumb, structural city improvement seems to be an impossible, harsh concept.
Hence, the BS NIMBY rhetoric is all yours. We've been living with it for 30+ years. And its true, you are unable to sign your name and identity to your whacked comment.
@Kathy Meeh,
Yes, I too have high hopes for Lorie Tinfow and the end game of paying market rate salaries (about $247k) to the City Councilmembers is to give them the freedom to fix more problems in real time.
For the record, I have never stated Associate Planner Christian Murdock was unqualified:
I stated he was a rogue employee, intentionally misrepresenting the status of the 505 Linda Mar Blvd 7 Eleven to the media and the people, and strongly insinuated he was doing a better job representing 7-Eleven Inc than the Citizens of Pacifica.
I stand behind those comments.
That said, I urge everyone to attend the July 27, 2015 City Council meeting at 7pm and make their own determination when the City Council hears the 700 Hickey Blvd, Pacifica, CA 7-Eleven application appeal.
Hey Pacifica City,
The same 7-Eleven Inc threatened to sue the City of San Mateo for $8.6M when they revoked their permits (applied for by the exact same applicant Katy Schardt)- I want to make sure Pacifica never has a chance to lose that kind of money.
Is this the 7-11 on San Mateo Drive? If so this is Cecila Quick's fumble.
http://patch.com/california/sanmateo/7-11-on-north-san-mateo-drive-in-violation-of-city-zoning-code
Yes, I too have high hopes for Lorie Tinfow and the end game of paying market rate salaries (about $247k) to the City Councilmembers is to give them the freedom to fix more problems in real time.
What does the end game of paying market rate salaries?
Do you want the city manager to make minimum wage?
Your starting to sound as goofy as Todd Bray!
Pacifica.city 1209, you and I have reached a stalemate. My observation and limited experience with City Associate Planner Christian Murdock, AICP informs me otherwise.
My impression is that Christian Murdock is an intelligent, honorable man, who is fair in his dealings with the public. And I find your use of the word rogue to describe his ordinary duties and sanctioned City comments to be underhanded, self-serving, extreme and nasty. The case against 7-Elevens in this City are made on your website, here.
Any potential 7-Eleven at 505 Linda Mar Blvd has yet to go through through the Planning Commission. What else is there? No sale and no project yet.
The tiny Tribune article above stated: "Christian Murdock, associate planner, had the answer. 'I have heard from an agent for 7-11 that soil boring has been performed recently in advance of the potential sale of the site to 7-11, Inc.,' he said."
@Kathy Meeh,
You have confused accusations of being a "rogue employee" with accusations of being a "rogue".
Two entirely different things.
A "rogue employee" is an employee who has ceased to follow the rules.
@ 2:23 Walk me through your question and if I can understand your it, I'll answer it.
Most couldn't imagine any circumstances in which Pacifica could attract a quality City Manager for minimum wage, yet we are paying City Councilmembers about $16.38 an hour.
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"What does the end game of paying market rate salaries?
Do you want the city manager to make minimum wage?"
- Anonymous 2:23pm
Pacifica.com 401, right, someone is confused. And where is the clarification and proof in you accusation that Christian Murdock is a "rogue employee"?
Such a lopsided comment without explicit evidence is careless at least; and also seems as credible as the assertion or suggestion that "all 7-Elevens are bad", even though in many neighborhoods 7-Elevens (and similar small stores) serve an important convenience function.
Whether a 7-Eleven is the best choice for the Linda Mar Blvd/Highway 1 corner or 700 Hickey Blvd is a different conversation. But it seems, if the property is owned by Dave and Lou's, and zoned to accommodate similar commercial/retail, the sale is between them and the buyer.
Is Christian Murdock related to Murdock on THE A TEAM?
@Kathy Meeh,
1. I've been very explicit. Mr. Murdoch misrepresented 7-Eleven's activity at 505 Linda Mar Blvd to avoid opening two fronts in 7-Eleven's penetration into Pacifica.
Read the last paragraph here:
http://www.mercurynews.com/pacifica/ci_28326209/fairmont-neighbors-appeal-7-11-city-council
2. What is your source for this quote?:
"all 7-Elevens are bad"
I have searched every file on our server and while it may be an a digitally "opaque" pdf, I am not familiar with it, have never stated it, and if it is anywhere on http://www.Pacifica.city as part of a contributor's content I will remove it immediately because in no way is that an argument we are furthering.
Thanks
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"Pacifica.com 401, right, someone is confused. And where is the clarification and proof in you(r) accusation that Christian Murdock is a "rogue employee"?
- Kathy Meeh July 10, 2015 at 4:57pm
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"all 7-Elevens are bad",
- Kathy Meeh July 10, 2015 at 4:57pm
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@Kathy Meeh,
Buying a property is something completely different than running a business at that property that interferes with neighbors quiet enjoyment of their own property.
To play Devil's Advocate here for a moment only:
Surely you wouldn't support someone buying a 24 hour strip bar and putting it there simply because they had obtained deed?
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Whether a 7-Eleven is the best choice for the Linda Mar Blvd/Highway 1 corner or 700 Hickey Blvd is a different conversation. But it seems, if the property is owned by Dave and Lou's, and zoned to accommodate similar commercial/retail, the sale is between them and the buyer.
- Kathy Meeh July 10, 2015 at 4:57 PM
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While you knuckleheads were arguing on here about 7-11 a billion dollar corporation. The smart people were taking advantage of 50% off at Luckys in Fairmont Shopping Center.
Pacifica City
How is this any different than the noobies telling property owners what they can and can't do with their properties?
What was your position about Peebles Corp. And his quarry project?
598, yes its true, Christian Murdock is part of the Pacifica A Planning Team. He's a very smart addition to our Planning Commission-- no matter how much "pacifica.city" complains.
Pacifica.city 516, the 6/16/15 Pacifica Tribune article, last paragraph, proves what? My comment at 314 was, "No sale and no project yet", (hence no planning commission other than inquiry).
Then, your re-quote of my 457 comment should have been at minimum "... the assertion or suggestion that 'all 7-Elevens are bad'..", rather than "all 7-Elevens are bad".
Pacifica.city 520, you lecture the difference between a business and a landlord, whereas my comment was ..."if the property is owned by Dave and Lou's.."
The Planning Commission did approve the transition of the 700 Hickey Blvd Chevron Service station to a 7-Eleven convenience station. And that might also occur at the corner of Linda Mar Blvd and Highway 1. Sorry, your "devil's advocate"... "24-hour strip bar" probably isn't happening.
As 851 said, the smart money is on the 50% off sale at Luckys in Fairmont Shopping Center.
11:54
Like my grandpa always used to say:
Sales wait for no man
95% of all the merchandise at Lucky's in Fairmont will be gone over the weekend.
Early bird catches the worm.
Late bird gets skunked
@Kathy Meeh:
You have a habit of parsing my sentences into inaccurate single words:
"an A/C unit fell on a Honda" does not mean "Anaconda"
1. To clarify, our position has never been: "all 7-Elevens are bad".
Our position has been that the 7-Elevens in Pacifica have been bad neighbors (the troubled 137 Manor location, convicted of selling beer to minors and with two code violations in the last month alone, will be the franchise owner of the 700 Hickey location).
2. "Deed" means ownership, not being a Landlord... you said:
"if the property is owned by Dave and Lou's, and zoned to accommodate similar commercial/retail, the sale is between them and the buyer."
IF a 24 hour strip bar with a liquor license bought the 505 Linda Mar Blvd property would you still feel the sale was between Dave & Lou's and the buyer?
3. And finally, no one ever said Christian Murdock wasn't smart or qualified:
I said he was a rogue employee who misrepresented 7-Eleven's activity at 505 Linda Mar Blvd to both media and citizens to avoid opening two fronts in 7-Eleven's penetration into Pacifica.
Your statement that there is no evidence to back up that accusation is false.
@8:56
You know a little bit of inside information yourself, lol.
It's irrelevant to this conversation, and I'm not current on the developments in the last month but I'll humor you by saying:
Peebles paid $86k an acre for that property.
In retrospect it seems like the deal of a lifetime, even if the People voted against his initial hotel project.
Pacific.city 747, using your own, latest criteria, the references discrediting Christian Murdock as "rogue", claiming he "misrepresented 7-Eleven's activity at 505 Linda Mar Blvd" include the following two article quotes (these are your links):
1. Pacifica Tribune/Jane Northrop, Staff Writer, 6/16/15. last paragraph, stated as: "Meanwhile in Linda Mar, Dave & Lou's Service Station is for sale. Acting on a rumor 7-11 may try and buy it, nearby Linda Mar residents made a preemptive objection to Planning Commissioners and City Council members during the public speaking portions of the meetings. So far, an application has not been filed by 7-11 for that location, Murdoch said. The applicant for the Hickey Boulevard 7-11 could not be reached by press time."
2. Pacifica Tribune/Jane Northrop, Staff Writer, 7/7/15, (same as the blog reprint article above), in response to a press inquiry: 'I have heard from an agent for 7-11 that soil boring has been performed recently in advance of the potential sale of the site to 7-11, Inc.,' he said."
This is your version of factual connection? It doesn't work for me, and hopefully not for others as well.
Pacifica.com 747, to "clarify" the confusion you have continued, this time from my 7/10, 457 comments.
1. In your comment, you said: "To clarify, our position has never been: 'all 7-Elevens are bad'." No, you pulled my comment out of context, and omitted the "assertion or suggestion that 'all 7-Elevens are bad',..".
Whereas my sentence reads: "Such a lopsided comment without explicit evidence is careless at least; and also seems as credible as the assertion or suggestion that "all 7-Elevens are bad", even though in many neighborhoods 7-Elevens (and similar small stores) serve an important convenience function."
2. In your comment, you said: "Deed" means ownership, not being a Landlord...".
Whereas my sentences reads: "Whether a 7-Eleven is the best choice for the Linda Mar Blvd/Highway 1 corner or 700 Hickey Blvd is a different conversation. But it seems, if the property is owned by Dave and Lou's, and zoned to accommodate similar commercial/retail, the sale is between them and the buyer."
So, rather than come back with a duh response, why not find-out who owns the 505 Linda Mar Blvd property, APN 022-192-190? Oh, here's the answer, see Home Info Max. As of 8/16/12, the property was owner occupied from the trust of David Nannini. (It was probably owner occupied prior, but moved into David's trust in 2012). And of course, the property is for sale, see LoopNet.
Thanks Kathy,
1. Of course not, all accusations I've made are provable in a Court of Law.
What actual city documents from which source would you find most compelling?
-->Kathy Meeh said:
-->"This is your version of factual connection? It doesn't work for me, and -->hopefully not for others as well"
2. Of course, I stated that Dave & Lou's was not yet sold on the Pacifica Riptide on June 25:
http://www.pacificariptide.com/pacifica_riptide/2015/06/very-interesting-that-theyre-being-required-to-drill-a-second-set-of-core-sampleseither-the-first-ones-showed-inadequate.html
-->Kathy Meeh said: "if the property is owned by Dave and Lou's, and zoned to -->accommodate similar commercial/retail, the sale is between them and the buyer."
So I ask you a third time ...
If a 24 hour strip bar with a liquor license bought the 505 Linda Mar Blvd property would you still feel the sale was between Dave & Lou's and the buyer?
3. When you put quotes around something and attribute it to me it strongly suggests I actually said it, which I did not.
Your quotation is not something myself or other's contributions to www.Pacifica.city have ever stated.
Pacifica.city.squirl.131. My comments, and responses to you have been clear enough. I'm done with you.
You can't even tell me what actual city documents from which source you would find compelling?
If you actually care about Fixing Pacifica, tell me which documents would change your mind and I'll post them at www.Pacifica.city,
Every statement I made here was backed up by legally admissible evidence that is public record.
415, could be the dots don't quite connect. Then there is "fair and balanced".
PS: new article posted: 88th 7-Eleven birthday, and free Slurpees. Had you in mind.
Kathy
What's wrong with a strip bar?
It would class Pacifica up a notch or two!!
It kills me that all of these people oppose these businesses that are trying to open up in our city and provide us with much-needed tax revenues. Aren't these NIMBYs the same ones who complain about vacant storefronts?
If people don't want to shop there, trust me, they'll close up shop. Let the market decide rather than a bunch of twirly-dancers with too much time on their hands.
Pacifica.city, it's more than a little disingenuous to complain about Kathy parsing your words and then somehow equate a convenience store with a strip club.
I wonder how the cops feel about another 7-11. Convenience stores do seem to attract more than their share of armed robberies. Easy getaway on 1 or they can just slither away in the 'hood. I think some people object because they see Pacifica, the town where they live, as better than it is. The more you paid for your home the more 7-11 offends you. Be humble. And grateful it's not the new 7-11 prototype...a strip joint with slurpies.
1:36 Dan (or minion), might as well post with your own name. Obviously, some crime does exist, even in Pacifica. That is not the fault of your chosen target, 7-Eleven convenience stores (possibly all of them, clearly those in Pacifica).
The introduced concept of a "strip joint" in this City and in that location (now linked to 7-Eleven) exists only in your own exaggerated imagination. And how twisted is that?
Changes of Planning/Planning Commission and City Council passing a "strip club" in this City: zero. Delusional comment, which cuts into your credibility: priceless.
In what world do people think they get to click their heels together and choose what business goes where? Stop being so naïve, and let the market decide. Or get in your way-back machine and go live in Soviet-era Russia.
443, planning does happen in USA cities, counties, and at federal level. For example, in this city (as in other cities), there are zoning and other regulations, and community standards.
If Dave and Lou's wanted to update to a modern gas station themselves, converting their repair facility to become a mini market (as several gas stations in Pacifica have already done), would there be an issue?
Other than the sad loss of a good repair facility, I can't understand why people are unhappy about this! Is it that 7-11 is an easy target? Or just that some people (especially in Pacifica) seem to have a really tough time handling any change at all?
Yes, Kathy, and that corner is zoned commercial. Last I checked, 7-11 is a commercial business.
6:44
Dave & Lou's wanted to add on to the mini mart and expand the footprint and build a second story office. The Planning Commission had a fit, as did the gang of no, and the residents in the area. The plans were quickly squashed.
Hi Kathy,
We're happy to see this conversation still alive a week later!
FIRST OF ALL: I'd like to invite Kathy Meeh and the vast majority of anonymous commenters on this blog to the City Council appeal of the 7-Eleven in the Fairmont neighborhood at 700 Hickey Blvd (@ Gateway) :
JULY 27 2015 at 7:00 PM PST , 2nd FLR 2212 BEACH BOULEVARD
(right by Municipal Pier, if you haven't been you may know it as the site of the new Sharp Park Library)
The Dave & Lou's 7-Eleven spot is zoned C-1
NEIGHBORHOOD commercial.
http://pacifica.city/files/linda_mar_zoning_map.pdf
The CalTrans owned lot immediately adjacent where the proposed 2.1M gallon sewage tank was proposed by RMC consulting (on Mar 23 with construction proposed to begin July 2015) is actually zoned R-3.1 Multiple-Family Residential with California Highway Patrol is a first responder and data collector for crime at that location.
I'm not sure what happened with the EQ Basin, it should have come up earlier, but one can watch the City Council Equalization Basin (sewage tank) discussion at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry_BVLZF80c#t=02h07m50s
Finally,
I'd like to draw readers attention to comment on the new EDD Anne Stedler's proposed Off the Grid food truck event at either Linda Mar Beach or Sharp Park Beach at another great local blog:
http://www.pacificariptide.com/pacifica_riptide/2015/07/off-the-grid-big-plans-for-linda-mar-beach.html
There's also a Planning Commission event discussing this event on Monday the 20th 7pm at same location as 7-Eleven appeal if you have an opinion either way.
Thanks
7:54AM PST
@Kathy, a little tip from a pro here:
I assumed you had a PHP remote host or address statement pulling commenters IP address so you had an idea who was really posting, but you do not and the Blogger CMS wizard you use doesn't provide one to users.
When you have an average of 34 comments a week, with two std dev of 72 hours old, and you suddenly get nine comments in a ten hour period on a seven-days dead article, its extremely likely to be the same person.
Please stop by and say "hi" if you make the July 27th 7-Eleven appeal. Like I said to you before, I'm far less worried about those those that don't agree with me than those who just don't care. Thanks
with two std dev of 72 hours old
I am not a medical professional but shouldn't you see your doctor, asap?
PC 824, Steve Sinai, Blogmaster, oversees the Fix Pacifica blog and he is a technical professional like you. By default, I post most of the articles which are not submitted directly to the blog.
The issues which confront this city are old and structural, and it's likely that comments perpetuate other comments on any article.
You have chosen to capture comments on this article, including the unfair characterization of a Planning employee. So you've got me responding to you.
www.pacificacity.com comes across as a guy in the garage with an old Windows 95 machine typing and ranting away.
418 IMHO you'll have to step up your game to discredit him. Playing at another level. It's like when Lionel Emde or Chris Fogel post here--which is too rare these days. They elevate the conversation. Include Tom Clifford in that group. They don't lie, twist the facts, use innuendo, or make inapt/inept analogies. Can't always agree with them, but not a bottom-feeder in the group.
418, funny get back. Apparently 540, didn't think so, "in his humble, 'glittering generalities', opinion filled with distractions.
One unrelated tangent 540 got right: Tom Clifford does post comments here under his own name, and Tom is solid.
But did 540 read the above thread before sharing? Guess not, unless he is pacifica.com (or minion), and highly values those loosely connected comments.
It just kills me that everyone in this city is against anything that might bring in some much-needed revenue to this town. It's on all those NIMBYs heads when the PRC can't get funded because they opposed something as simple as a 7-11 or the awesome Off-the-Grid idea.
@8:24, I assume you've heard on an IP anonymizer.
952 You'll post from the afterlife, right?
A lot of these issues with 7-11 being a bad neighbor are about the city being a poorly run city. Personally, I'd love for Kimco to buy that corner and the rest of the space and revamp that entire shopping center area with stores, food and condos/apts. That would really change Pacifica. But that kind of stuff doesn't happen in this town and if the poop pit goes in there, a 7-11 looks like a real good choice. And with gas and sales tax revenue, it's a great addition to our economy. The regulatory process can resolve the design and operating issues and the city can be shamed into using its authority to enforce compliance after opening. It's another case of settling for very little, but all things considered who are we kidding? We need to be pragmatic. It's been a gas station and now it'll be a little bit more.
3:04
Kimco just does Shopping Centers they don't do apartments or condos.
Every other city has 7-11 and besides the huge fumble on Cecilia Quick in San Mateo I never hear these kind of complaints.
512 You sure about Kimco? Could swear I've seen Kimco on several very large centers in Austin and Houston which included some condos. Maybe a joint venture? Complaints about proposed 7-11s are pretty commonplace on the internet. Ms. Quick probably not involved.
"Personally, I'd love for Kimco to buy that corner and the rest of the space and revamp that entire shopping center area with stores, food and condos/apts."
I'd like to see Kimco leave Pacifica, altogether. Too many empty stores in their shopping centers, and arrogant management.
What is Valero now??
Alliance
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