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Posted by Kathy Meeh
Friday, November 15, 2013
Usual Planning Commission meetng notice, cancelled (11/18/13)
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Posted by Kathy Meeh
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no planning, no building, no revenue producing projects=bankruptcy!
https://www.cityofwestsacramento.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=9886
All other city's can, except for Pacifica!!
Hey, this council's brain trust couldn't develop snot, but as we saw with their shenanigans with Measure V, they love to streamline. Why showcase an on-going failure?
That's cause we have a mayor who still rides a skate board.
How's he manage that with all those wires attached? Oh wait, remote control, right? This is our first techno-council.
Word has it that the city very recently chased away 4 buyers of a large lot on Palmetto near the sewer plant. The city kept telling the buyer they wanted a balance between residential and business but gave no real direction other than saying "pay the $1200, submit it and see what the planning commish says" Four buyers walked away.
Is that four buyers (a partnership) or four potential buyers (four individual buyers).
Someone going into the planning department to check on the zoning of a site they are interested in is a smart buyer.
Word has it that aliens have stolen our brains and are using our planet as a rest stop on the cosmic highway.
It was 4 separate buyers Tom. On 4 separate occasions. The city chased them all away. Ask the realtor for the story yourself. Very interesting. His Name is George and he's fed up. I thought we were changing this crap. http://homes.yahoo.com/california/pacifica/2107-palmetto-ave-4de14d772de24610d20d5e8d54cbc7da.html
Deep, That's an interesting story. Whom did these potential developers contact? Planning department, councilmember, who? Same person each time?
Sounds like a job for an economic development director. Of course that would mean this council was actually serious about pursuing development. Dream on.
When Jimmy V. was on city council he would tell developers to go talk to Nancy Hall before they proposed a project.
I know a group wanted to buy a parcel on Palmetto for a brew pub but the Sharp Park Noobees chased them away screaming traffic and noise.
These WERE four mixed use projects that were proposed to the planning dept..Because of the proximity to their beloved Beach Blvd dream, they wanted guarantees as to what types pf businesses would be built. They didn't want just any kind of business. The planning dept wanted high foot traffic. Sounds like they were pushing for a restaurant or similar. You can't tell a developer what kind of business to build. It won't work with the sewer plant and it won't work on private property.
When was that brew pub proposed Anon 710? I would have been all for it and I have the beer belly to prove it.
On the Palmetto mixed use thing. Are there records of proposals to the planning department somewhere? This would be something to look into if the city is still chasing away developers. I thought they are streamlining the whole process?
It was about 10 years ago. On Jimmy V's watch.
Brownshirtanon laments, "Word has it that the city very recently chased away 4 buyers of a large lot on Palmetto near the sewer plant. The city kept telling the buyer they wanted a balance between residential and business but gave no real direction other than saying "pay the $1200, submit it and see what the planning commish says" Four buyers walked away."
Please learn even a little about land use. An iquiry is a lot different than a purchase and i this case your scapegoating is nothing more that the typical Chicken Little ranting you Brownshirtanons are known for.
God, Please learn something of how land use issues are handled, even just a little bit.
Or are you addicted to the stupids? Does that give you the misinformed notion you can say WTF ever you want? Is it an addiction to lies to get attention Brownshirtanons? Are you babies? Ha, me thinks so.
12:34
Don't you have another appeal to file to the coastal commission.
want to be curtis jr.
You know Bray may oppose specific projects but he does it publicly, paper trail, etc. Deep Throat makes vague allegations without context, dates, names. Why? If you really are for development and hate to see the loss of these alleged proposals why not give us the facts so we can pursue those responsible. If this Council is talking out of both sides of their mouths on development (and I wouldn't rule it out)let's put a stop to it. In the absence of facts, dates, etc. you're just stirring an old pot.
Appealing a project to a higher authority has nothing to do with stopping a project from being built. If a project has been approved by the city because of politics or ideology and is not consistent with state laws... expect an appeal from someone or something like a state agency. It's the way things get done.
But without Brownshirtanon(s) understanding the basic rights of our nation they will continue to wallow in the stupids.
"Appealing a project to a higher authority has nothing to do with stopping a project from being built."
What?? Of course it does.
5:50
Can I please see your building resume?
"What?? Of course it does."
How so Steve?
Todd, you're an example of what the following editorial criticizes - NIMBYS who abuse environmental laws to block development.
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_22012555/mercury-news-editorial-ceqa-reform-must-be-top
You always do this. You say no development in the Quarry, no highway widening, no Walgreens, no multi-unit housing, no nothing...and then you hold your hands up and say, "I'm not against it, but it's the law." You're not fooling anybody.
Here, here.
The NIMBYs have been doing this so long that they don't even realize that they are doing it.
Steve,
If it wasn't about laws then you'd have all your crazy wish list development. Regardless of your ideology I reject your finger pointing. This is a nation of laws. Deal with it.
One can readily see the impacts of pro-development without careful planning by driving the El Camino Real. For the most part, it looks like one long strip mall from South San Francisco to Sunnyvale.
As bad as we might need development in Pacifica, I would think not many of want to see a hodge podge of ill-conceived projects dotting our landscape.
The idea of "abuse" of environmental laws is propaganda by developers. You can't "abuse" a law. Something is either legal or it ain't.
It's also a nation of frivolous law suits and bureaucratic muck and mire Todd. Doesn't mean you have to participate.
Excesses exist, that's for sure, but without these laws, and others, we'd be settling issues and arguments like some third-rate banana republic. Don't like the law? Do something to get it changed.
Nobody's saying we don't need laws, but people like Bray and Loeb abuse laws to get to their selfish ends. Thankfully Peter Loeb's 1st lawsuit was thrown out because if was frivolous. Pray for #2 and Todd's complaint to be thrown out too.
NIMBY'S don't abuse environmental laws???????
Surely you jest.
809 it's working the way it's supposed to work. people make the laws to decide issues that the parties cannot. whether something is an abuse often depends on which side of the issue you're on. laws are changed all the time to fit new public attitudes, technology, evolving ethical questions, economics. CA seems to take seriously its role as protector of some pretty spectacular geography so changes to enviro laws like CEQA will be hard to sell.
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