Friday, December 12, 2014

Planning Commission Study Session, Monday, December 15, 2014


This study session is scheduled to be shown live on Pacific Coast TV, calendar,  Or, plan to attend in person, 2212 Beach Boulevard, 2nd floor.  The Study Session should begin at 6 pm or shorty there following:  Pacifi Coast.TV.  But if you miss civic meetings, view on PCT 26 You Tube!   Planning Commission updates, archives are available on the City of Pacifica/Planning Commission website.

A place and space to live, Pacifica.
Okay, the child forgot the windows and the people,
but included "our environment".
Planning Commission Study Session, 12/15/14, pdf 129 pages.  "Update of the Housing Element of the City's General Plan for the period 2015-2022."

From Table 1, page 3, (computer page 4).  Pacifica's regional housing units needs allocation (RHNA) 2014-2022, by units.

Extremely low income, 30% of median income, 60.
Very low income, 50% of median income, 61.
Low income, 80% of median income, 68.
Moderate income,  100% of median income, 70.
Above moderate income, 120% of median income, 154.
Total units needed:  413. 
Source:  Association of Bay Area Governments, Final 2014-2022. Regional housing allocation by county.
 
Related - City of Pacifica/Planning Comission email list, Housing Element public announcement.    Note: drawing of a house is by Vandita (6 years old, India) from Children have talent blog (Nupur Chokshi, USA).

Posted by Kathy Meeh

106 comments:

Anonymous said...

Instead of chasing away and making it harder on Business try to bring some business into town and support the existing business.

Pacifica hired a new code enforcement officer and the guy is harassing businesses about signs, a frame and sandwich board signs? Really.

How about going after all the meth houses, decaying houses and abandoned cars around town.

Pacifica always was a joke and will continue to be an anti business joke.

Anonymous said...

The code enforcement officer is not "harassing" businesses. Apparently, the code enforcement officer is ... wait for it ... enforcing the code. *Gasp*

Got a complaint about somebody not doing something according to code? Call code enforcement. Be sure to say what and where the code violation is.

Anonymous said...

9:32

Meth
crappy houses
abandon cars
people living in cars
homeless
drug use
underage drinking
horrible infrastructure
yards with 3 foot tall weeds
yards with garbage all over them
Missing 4 million dollars
no reserves

I see these as more telling problems than a couple sandwich board signs and a frame signs.

BTW why doesn't the city hire an economic development person instead of taking 6 pints of blood from everyone who tries to open or keep an existing business open.

Anonymous said...

10:40 those aren't code enforcement issues. And the city is hiring an economic development person.

Anonymous said...

http://www.cityofpacifica.org/depts/planning/code_enforcement/default.asp

Code Enforcement

The Pacifica City Council has adopted City codes (laws) specifically designed to address blight, nuisances and to maintain a clean environment for all citizens and visitors in our community. The City of Pacifica does this by working in partnership with the people of Pacifica. For more information, please contact Code Enforcement staff at (650) 738-7343 during regular business hours.

For the Code Enforcement Complaint Form, please click below to PRINT the document. Please note that you can not type into this form. It must be printed, filled out by hand, and either mailed, scanned and emailed, or handed to any staff member at 1800 Francisco Blvd. during normal business hours.

Code Enforcement Complaint Referral & Resolution Worksheet

Anonymous said...

11:38

You anti business hippie. We have been hearing about this economic development person for ages now. In the mean time.

city manager retired
planning director retired
new city manager hired
new assistant city manager hired
ritzma goes to Foster City

Anonymous said...

12:16 You stupid jerk.

10/28/14
"Council approved a new economic development division within the city manager's office, created a new economic development manager position and authorized the city manager to fill it.

"The economic development director will be responsible for attracting new businesses, retaining the existing business base and expanding strategies to help existing businesses thrive.

"Tinfow envisions the new economic development manager could lead city efforts to develop the city-owned Beach Boulevard site, help Palmetto businesses maintain a historic downtown, work with local and regional groups, create an online economic development presence for the city, promote Pacifica and serve as an entry point for businesses to access city information."

http://www.mercurynews.com/pacifica/ci_26817754/council-launches-economic-development-division

T.H. Clifford said...

The City Manager is looking for a new Planning Director and a Economic development Director.

I am sure that these searches are4178 made harder by the fact that the City is on a tight budget.

Kathy Meeh said...

1216 and 159, here is the article link without calling someone a stupid jerk. Fix Pacifica reprint, Pacifica Tribune/Jane Northrop, 10/28/14.

Our city will have a new economic development manager soon. Hurray! Read further, that was one of the goals set by now past City Councilmember/Mayor Len Stone: "Council Member Len Stone was very appreciative about the establishment of the new position, as he had stated it as a goal when he first came to office four years ago". Way to go Len!

159, probably not a good idea to call anyone a "stupid jerk". I allowed the comment only because it referenced the city moving forward with a full economic development manager (and you are both anonymous), but in review Steve Sinai (Blogmaster) may spam.

Anonymous said...

Approved in 10/2014 and no economic development person hired yet.

And you can't see the city is going straight down the toilet.

Kathy Meeh said...

335, begin with the city is already in "the toilet". And help is on its way to fish it (us) out of "the toilet". Fortunately, NIMBIES do not have the city council majority, so there is a likelihood they cannot flush the city down "the toilet" into disincorporation (irreversible insolvency) at this time.

335, the City Council meeting, where moving forward with an Economic Development Manager was approved, occurred 10/28/14. Government process is not instant, this is the Holidays, and T.H. Clifford (as in Tom Clifford, 2:00 pm) also made a point, considering any weak city budgetary issues. So relax.

Anonymous said...

Hiring an ED Manager would seem to be a step in the right direction, but it's no silver bullet. The good news is the position upgrade to manager from the low-level coordinator initially planned. We need an experienced leader not another clerical/meet and greeter. Doubt the formal search has even started before fine-tuning the job description and the holidays and all. When this position was approved on October 27th some of the comments from Tinfow referred to a lead time of at least three years to see a medium/large development project brought on line. Not sure when that clock starts ticking and there is nothing in the pipeline. The Beach Blvd project would be top priority for the new hire. At the same meeting, Nihart commented that a fully realized Beach Blvd could produce $500K annual city revenue and that Pacifica needed 8 to 10 similar projects to keep up. That's a tall order for any city, but at least we seem to have the political will (unanimous) to start the work.

Anonymous said...

What this Economic Development Director does will be determined by Council or the dominant members on Council. Their idea of economic development may not please the majority of posters on here. And political will follows the elections cycle. Next one is just 2 years away.

Kathy Meeh said...

^^^ 603 correct, Monday, 10/27/14 city council meeting, Tribune article posted, Tuesday 10/28/14.

"Nihart commented that a fully realized Beach Blvd could produce $500K annual city revenue and that Pacifica needed 8 to 10 similar projects to keep up. That's a tall order for any city, but at least we seem to have the political will (unanimous) to start the work." Bravo, good memory from you, and courageous and realistic comment from Mayor Nihart!! That amount of economic development catch-up is overdue, and is exactly what is needed to fund and this city. And in addition to bringing in city revenue, more local jobs and services will be created.

620, no doubt you would prefer city default vs. a balanced city economy, but hopefully city council majority will move forward overriding such interference in the meantime.

Anonymous said...

Kathy, 620 would simply prefer realism about the long-overdue hiring of an economic development manager. I hope it delivers results, but I don't feel the need for euphoria to prove I'm pro-growth. I believe both Nihart and Tinfow spoke to the need for realism. The hiring is of course as much political as it is fiscal, and as such, it's extremely vulnerable. Not just to an election cycle that moves along quickly, but to incumbents' ever-present reluctance to alienate the electorate. Adding the position is a start, but it's setting the goals and priorities for this individual that will require real backbone from council. Time will tell.

todd bray said...

The city currently does not have a dedicated code enforcement officer. and if your the kind of business owner that needs guidance from an enforcement officer it probably means you are a public health menace of some sort. From the tone of a few posts here it sounds like the people complaining about code enforcement don't understand what it means. Real life business is not like a safe board game of Monopoly, real life business takes work.

Anonymous said...

Todd

Check the city website

Lawrence Ngai is the new code enforcement officer.

Anonymous said...

Todd Bray schooling us on business?
Now that's funny.

Carl said...

Yea, running a business in this town is difficult with the likes of Bray lurking in the shadows. Go as Patel how much it cost him to go through the Coastal Commission Appeal process instigated by Bray. Giving advice! You're a piece of work, Bray.

The Real THC said...

Our local pot club will bring plenty of taxes to help our economy. They are paying taxes right?!

todd bray said...

Wow, keep blaming failure on others Anonimotapai, it's nice to know there is nothing else for you to do. BTW hope you enjoyed the election of John Keener and, GASP, re-election of Sue after all your belly aching, whining and guarantees of a different outcome. Bask in the glow Rantanons, bask in the glow.

420 Surfer said...

Legalize Pot! Indica Skunk Buds! Acapulco Gold! We've got choices! Smoke a bowl or two with us at Rockaway Beach and Linda Mar Beach! Catch the wave!

Anonymous said...

How much money has Bray, brought into the city?

I rest my case!

The Ghost of The Street said...

Show you will never see on CNBC or FBN:
"Bray on Business"

Don't take my word for it. Says the Wall Street Journal, "Todd Bray is to business what Genghis Khan was to micro surgery."

Anonymous said...

Todd Bray accusing others of having nothing else to do?
Now that's even funnier than his business advise.

Anonymous said...

Truth be known, in Pacifica, Bray is as relevant on business as anyone else on here. And, as he points out, look who got elected. O'Neill's lucky the third enviro candidate was an unknown kid who didn't campaign much instead of a Leon or Campbell or he'd have lost, too.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps in response to some skeptical Fix Pacifica posters, The City of Pacifica is now advertising for an Economic Development Manager. I saw the advertisement on the "calopps.org" website. Paying $107,000-120,000, the recruit closes 12/29/14. Let us hope someone applies who can save us from Oblivion!

Anonymous said...

That salary seems a little on the low side, doesn't it? Of course it'll draw fire as exorbitant from the sheltered and ignorant, but compared to salaries for other city department heads, it's low. Maybe we're really looking for the "Junior" version of an Economic Development Manager. Someone ready for promotion to the "bigs" even if it's mostly in title only. If so, please let them be driven by ambition to make their mark before moving up and out.

Anonymous said...

My thoughts exactly 424. Who does a recruitment during the middle of the holiday season, when all good Economic Development Managers are flying home to mom and doing their holiday shopping? Only us, geniuses that we are and have down at City Hall. When you recruit during this time of year, you either are'nt really looking, or have someone already in mind, such as in internal candidate. Maybe a bump up for someone already working at City Hall or a buddy of Tinfow's from Walnut Creek. The salary is low, not enough to attract a guy like Jim Cogan from Menlo Park who's in the high 100s. (See Menlo Park FP article). Looks like all we'll get is a lowly coordinator, all we deserve, really.

The Ghost of The Street said...

Economic Development Manager? Madness! Complete madness! Do the math: With benefits package this person will cost the taxpayer close to $200k per year. Add to that whatever staff they will require and the budget necessary to get anything accomplished (e.g., promotional/advertising campaign, improvements, etc.) and you could easily be looking at $1 million/annum and upwards. Do you really think we, the City, will ever break even on this? Especially when at least half this town is totally against doing the type of things necessary to improve our economy. This is just plain crazy and will do nothing more than put our city further in the hole. Instead of creating new high ticket staff positions we should be working overtime on cost cutting. It's time we tightened our respective belts and learned to live within our means. Economic Development Manager...LOL!!! You people are incredible.

DENNYS HAS CLOSED said...

oh the horror ! pacifica denny's run is done. bring on Black Bear Diner!

Anonymous said...

Holy geez, the dumbasses are really out in force tonight. To those of you who wouldn't recognize a white collar unless it was on a priest: the world doesn't shut down between October and February.

Troof Police said...

$200k per year for econ dev (salary+bennies), untold hundreds of thousands dumped into the old WWTP site, and coming soon! $5.5 mil (plus annual upkeep) on a trail to take people out of town. When are the BizDev Braniacs gonna start demanding a return on all this investment?

It's obvious that this city can't find its ass with both hands let alone run/develop anything -- sell this crap off and let private investors do their thing. I half expect the city to "lose" the WWTP. Tell me it ain't possible for this merry band of misfits to eff it up. You know in your heart that they're gonna screw it all up sooooooooooooo royally.

Anonymous said...

The pervasive business hostile attitude exemplified by Dennys Has Closed@6:19 PM proves the previous point that an Economic Development Manager in Pacifica is akin to employing an ice skating instructor in Hell.

Anonymous said...

Only in Pacifica, does the Denny's close.

Score another one for the hippies!

Rudolph said...

You might want to check what the lease was, and especially was about to become before blaming anyone local. And who the franchisee was paying that lease check to. And what the reputation of that company is with regards to small business owners. Go check it, I'll wait here.

PTP said...

I sensed something was going down the other day at Denny's when they menu changed the Grand Slam Breakfast replacing it with the Strikeout Supper.

Not to worry. Rumor has it Barry Zito purchased the place with hopes of making it into a waffle house. That would make the second waffle house in town if you count the City Council Chambers.

Anonymous said...

The C.C.C. has sent the City a letter which puts so many conditions on the project that it will not be feasible to build as planned and may never be any kind of economic engine.

Tom Clifford said...

Beach Blvd. ?

Anonymous said...

454 Yeah. In Pacifica change is never really change. We're being snookered again. Bad time of year to do a serious recruitment. And for that salary they're looking for either a very junior manager or someone at or past retirement age. The position is not going to have any staff to manage so this is a person who will support another dept head, planning or CM, maybe both. Definitely not your mover and shaker kind of Economic Development professional. It'll look good on the campaign lit for the incumbents in 2016.

Anonymous said...

917 Beach Blvd? Oh, I'm sure the city is all surprised to hell about that. Let's see, during the Vree-era they wasted about $500K on plans for the first Taj Mahal and now during the Nihart-era they've wasted probably another $500K on more bullshit. Theatre of the absurd right here in Pacifica. I wonder if this money is part of the 4 million or some other buried scandal?

Anonymous said...

That's perfect. An empty restaurant in that highly visible spot. Quite an emblem for Pacifica. Do you think anyone at city hall noticed? Expressed their concerns to the parties involved? Let's hope another chain goes in and the space doesn't languish empty and become a thrift store.

Anonymous said...

Well why does the empty restaurant right off the main highway bother you? At the other end of town we have another parcel that is used to store city trucks and equipment. Not that a hotel on that site will bring in some badly needed money.

Blind leading the blind!!

Misty Mountain Hop said...

What the COUNCIL should be doing is yelling and screaming at Hill and Mullin to pressure the Coastal Commission to back off some of those crazy conditions. But we got a bunch of weaklings, oh no, they'd never do that. The State benefits from Economic Development here in Pacifica, go to the top, ask Jerry Brown. The Coastal Commission staffers definitely respond when the fire is put under their ass. They are being obstructionists.

todd bray said...

Another note for all you would be business titan, when you finally grow up and leave mom's house remember to buy low and sell high. And don't whine infront of people, especially customers... it puts them off.

todd bray said...

The CCC letter is a draft of a new ordinance for the Beach Blvd site, nothing more. The city asked for it. The ordinance includes such words as SHALL instead of SHOULD and limits access to the rich and famous in favor of the everyday person.

Anonymous said...

Uh oh, I don't like it when Bray fails to criticize the city. What's with this new ordinance? Are they asking for something official to take the heat off them when they abandon/downsize commercial development of the Beach Blvd site?

Anonymous said...

Anyone know if the landlord for Denny's is the same as for the rest of the Linda Mar Shopping Center? Maybe Denny's just got priced out, same as the other empty stores there? How long has the old Hallmark store been vacant?

Anonymous said...

From the dawn of time 1124. The whole center is run by Kimco, isn't it? Seems like the larger spaces take a lot longer to fill. Expect See's to leave after Christmas so that will again be another very visible vacancy. Nice.

sarcasm 101 said...

Where is the lean tower of Economic Development expertise Mike O'Neill with his Kimco Anti Vacancy Tax Ordinance that he spoke about during the campaign? Common sense and damn good idea. Get off your ass Mike and get that rolling. I don't want to see another empty promise such as rezoning the palmetto area, which you mentioned in 2012, but did not lift a finger to implement. I demand the minions at City Hall draft an urgency ordinance for Council to consider in January or February. The big wigs from Kimco will come running here from Chicago to protest, better watch out, it could set a precedent. Pacifica on the leading edge? You and Mayor Karen can take credit.

Anonymous said...

Nicole Hauscarriague (of Kimco) is a name everybody should have memorized by now. Her name is posted in every empty storefront in Linda Mar Shopping Center, so you see it about ten times each visit.

Why would anyone bank on O'Neill to do squat? He had to ask the city attorney, "Is this a public meeting?" during a city council meeting. He's lucky to be able to find his way to chambers without getting lost!

Anonymous said...

Mike is going to get right on that!!

Anonymous said...

Didn't Mike ask (at the end of the last city council meeting) for a vacancy ordinance to be put on the agenda for a meeting in January? Seems like he is right on it - even before the Denny's closure!

Tom Clifford said...

Councilman O'Neill has already asked council to agenda's the vacancy issue.

Anonymous said...

What is city council going to do. Trim the time to open a new business down to 12 months.

O'Neill is just as clueless as the other stooges on city council.

Anonymous said...

@7:45 - "What is city council going to do"? They can pass an ordinance that imposes economic penalties on landlords who choose to keep their retail premises empty. Other places have similar ordinances to prevent blight, so why shouldn't we?

Anonymous said...

@4:03 - 'He (O'Neill) had to ask the city attorney, "Is this a public meeting?" during a city council meeting.' That was only because some doofus was at the podium complaining that he had no chance to say what he wanted to say "at a public meeting". Duh!

Anonymous said...

Hey now, Council needed to run that option on the Pedro Point property through real quick. God forbid the county should buy the property or use imminent domain. Better that flat-ass broke Pacifica should take it on. Ours not to wonder why. So, Nihart yanked the strings and O'Neill asked the question. Not his finest hour and he makes kind of a big howdy doody looking puppet, but what do ya expect in Pathetica?

Anonymous said...

Ordinance, shmordinance. So what. All those Vacant Property Ordinances do is get the property registered with the city as vacant, duh, collect a fee every 6 mnths or annually. Like Kimco doesn't have a way to handle that. They maintain the property so no leverage there. They'll run their business the way they want and Pacifica can't do a thing. Leave it to council to act busy and do nothing. Maybe if they wave a Mayor's Award at Kimco? Nah.

Captain Duh said...

More revisionist history from 10:29.

Several speakers bitched out council for trying to sneak an agenda item thru on consent. O'Neill tries his smart-ass routine from the dais and thinks he's gonna get a zinger in, "Is this a public meeting?"

But of course it backfires on his ass because, yes, there IS some question as to whether there was proper notification in thus case. The city attorney hems, haws, and equivocates, and Mike is left looking like a total tool. He's way out of his pay grade up there.

Maybe he and No Deficit Nihart shouldn't try to belittle citizens who come before council with legitimate complaints? They really suck at it.

Kathy Meeh said...

My recall, 1029 is correct: "..some doofus was at the podium complaining that he had no chance to say what he wanted to say "at a public meeting". Duh!"

Question is: What was the subject of your complaint at that public meeting Captain Duh 626? Why not get to the point of your complaint, rather than whine for weeks that Councilmember O'Neill clarified to you that you were speaking at a public meeting?

Captain Duh said...

Yeah? We all were notified that the city was commiting to a $5.5 million trail project? Want to show me where the public was notified about it so we could discuss it.

Oh, that's right, there was no public notification or discussion. We only found out about it because Van O'Camping-in-the-Farallone-Islands let it slip accidentally.

THAT'S what the speaker was referring to when O'Neill tried to spike the football only to have it bounce back into his face like a doofaroo.

What kind of council tries to "zing" citizens who have totally legitimate questions about their sneaky shit?

Kathy Meeh said...

831 oh its about the California Trail (as in the major trail through California, connects through Devil's Slide Park): grant money, not city money. That was previously a city agenda item, fully discussed in public. You may have been out-of-town, Duh.

Captain Duh said...

Oh really, Kathy? Please show us all the city agenda item that discusses the $5 million needed for construction of the trail by 2021. Not the Colt purchase, show us all the adenda item about the trail itself and how the city needs to construct it by 2021.

You may have been out to lunch, Kathy.

Kathy Meeh said...

909, California Coastal Trail passes through Pacifica along the California coast. Its grant money, not city money. Guess focusing on slamming Councilmember O'Neill was more important to you, Duh.

Captain Duh said...

Kathy, I'll ask you for the third time to provide us with ANY evidence for your claims. About any of it.

You can't because the $5 million trail project which Pacifica is responsible for and is the lead agency for has never been agendized or discussed. Which was the whole point that O'Neill (and you) fail to comprehend.

So either provide the agenda item for the trail project itself (not the Colt purchase) or hell... any official discussion of it.

Put up or shut up.

Kathy Meeh said...

951, and I thought all you wanted to do was rant about Councilmember O'Neill pointing out that City Council is a public meeting-- for weeks you've been doing that here.

And if you have a question about this City being responsible for the cost of building a State trail through this city-- how about YOU contact the City, or the State. Then get back to us with the answer. Or for more information, try Google, Duh.

Kathy Meeh said...

Chris 1043, 12-18 month contingency on Colt property to procure and collect conservancy and other grant monies. This city will not be paying that $5.5 million bill.

And if those weeks of "snarky" O'Neill comments are yours, well double Duh.

Tom Clifford said...

Cathy, Chis is right on this one. This item was originally placed on the consent calender were it would have remained (to be voted on without public or council comment). Members of the public spoke to their council members and had it pull at the last minute.

Entering into an option to buy a property that also obligate the City to find and spend $5.5 million on a trail should never have been hidden on the consent calender. This should have been a full public hearing with a complete Staff report from the beginning.

Anonymous said...

Tom@12:29: that is not unusual. The old Council of Digre, Vreeland, DeJarnatt and Lancelle did the identical with the huge multi million dollar beach property across the street from the Post Office. No hearings, notice, public discussion there. Nope. It was nothing more than a local land grab designed to curtail any possible development of that property by the Eco-Council: 1) Consent Calendar 2) Wave of the wand 3) DONE. Those of us who complained were ignored. In fact, we were maliciously attacked by groups like the Pacificans for Sustainable Development and their mouthpiece, the Pacifica Tribune.

Same was true with several other beach properties the City acquired at a very high cost when it couldn't even make payroll. And then there were the thousands of acres of properties gifted to the GGNRA - gratis. Brilliant financial move there! The history books of Pacifica are replete with the fiscal malfeasance of our City Councils, all without public hearings/discussion, all perpetrated through the magic of the Consent Calendar.

Welcome to the Republic of Pacifica, gentlemen. We elect them. They represent us. No whining allowed. Next...

Kathy Meeh said...

Tom 1229, that's hardly the first item to ever be changed off of the Consent Calendar to Consideration. The Colt property negotiations have been going on for about 2 years (my recall).
From what I saw, the contract is a contingency in contemplation to purchase only: $15,000 (within 12 months), or $20,000 (within 18 months) to purchase Colt's property. This is not a direct purchase. And otherwise, the contingency does not directly obligate the city to the property or to the estimated $5.5 million trail development cost.
As discussed at that city council meeting and also noted by Mayor Nihart in a follow-up meeting, the city is in process to secure the needed grants and/or other funding. San Mateo County will also substantially contribute to the funding of Colt's property.
Do you really think the California Coastal Trail will have a funding problem that stops on Pacifica's door step? That would be absurd. The Google search/California Coastal Trail.
As for the NIMBY political machine being called on "political stunts" by Councilmember O'Neill, good for Mike O'Neill!

Steve "Blogmaster" Sinai said...

Chris Fogel asked me to take down a comment he wrote, so if you see people referring to Chris' comment, that's why it's not there.

Tom Clifford said...

Anonymous: You were right to protest then and we are right to protest now. The only way to get and keep open and transparent Government is to let them know when they have crossed the line,hold their feet to the fire an say no more.

Kathy: Yes the Colt property negotiations have been going on for many years (back to before it was the Colt property),always in close session and never with any reportable action. Placing it on the consent calender was a clear attempt to keep the public in the dark about what was happening.

The issue is not is it a good idea to finish the trail or who will pay for it. The issue is type of government we expect and deserve.

Anonymous said...

Amen, Tom Clifford. Pacificans are so accustomed to being bamboozled by this council, as well as several previous councils, that we no longer become angry about it. We either get bogged down in the politics or in the merits of whatever it was council attempted to sneak past us. Council calculates public stupidity into every scheme. They (pick any council) couldn't have screwed Pacifica so badly without it.

mike bell said...

I believe it has more to do with average citizens not understanding the requirement to come together and get involved in the democratic process.
The Council is nothing more than a reflection of us.
The people who are "against all development at any cost" are simply much better at unifying their positions and then pressuring decision makers to give them their way.
Kathy and Steve,
Please find a way out of this "anonymous posting" trap.
I really appreciate the opportunity this blog provides for differing points of view but it is being ruined by the NOBIES who are just playing with you and your readers.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Keener the Greener has more stones than his wingman Fogel?

Anonymous said...

I wonder why Fogel didn't take down his posts under Captain Duh and the other pseudonyms he has been using to troll FP and attack its pro growth supporters as well as Council members who do not bleed green? Guess he thinks he fooled us...

Anonymous said...

Yeah! It's democracy my way or the highway! Uh, wait a minute. I meant democracy my way and the highway.

mike bell said...

The anonymous NOBIE snipers are having a field day picking fights and stirring up useless circular arguments on this blog.
Riptide protects it's brand and provides a forum for those "against all development at any cost" by disallowing anonymous posts. It's a limitation on freedom of expression but it effectively thwarts those who would co-opt it's core mission of consensus building against development.

Is it too much to ask that Fix Pacifica continues to honor total freedom of expression on any given topic for the first 5 days and then requires self identification thereafter?

Those of us in favor of a functional city which promotes investment and reasonable development would like a forum to bring our ideas together. These silly street fights are completely counterproductive.

Anonymous said...

Mike

Do you really want this blog to turn into Circus De Bray like Riptide.

Seriously, normally I agree with 99% of your posts, except for this one.

Tom Clifford said...

I think everyone knows my position on Anonymous posting. "If you can say it you should own it."

todd bray said...

Mike, you are the only one that wants Fixpacifica to be a haven for rational discussion. It is preferred that Meeh et al remain the way they are representing themselves as the pro business advocates because they all sound like loons. Who would want that to change?

mike bell said...

It already is Cirque d'Bray.
Fix Pacifica is being played by a couple of anonymous NOBIE snipers who keep co-opting this blog. Entertaining at best but effectively derailing productive discussions about repairing our town.
The NOBIES have a strategy, we don't.

Anonymous said...

No anonymi? Total snooze-fest. Sounds like an identity crisis for Fix. Riptide is an anti-development propaganda platform. Not entirely, but mostly, and certainly very much so during election season. Lectures on the subject are so boring, but maybe it is time for Fix to decide. Do you want to be an undiluted pro-growth propaganda platform? Or do you want to be entertaining, outrageous, amusing, appalling and thought-provoking? You're not going to get both. Definite an identity crisis.

Anonymous said...

Btw did the Riptides capture Hutch again?

Kathy Meeh said...

145, nope! Anonymi, sounds like an identity crisis for anomyni, or 145 Anonymous.

And 145, you also pose an either pro-development or quizzical blog commentary question as either or neither; whereas, blog identity may be both. So, is such a question designed to promote confusion, or just to protect the ongoing status quo to nowhere? Oh I go it, once again its both.

Anonymous said...

Yeah 228, but look what happened with Cuba. Hutch is coming home, soon. Wink, wink.

mike bell said...

I definitely want entertaining, outrageous, amusing, appalling and thought-provoking content to remain on Fix Pacifica. I do not support turning this blog into a mind-controlled snooze fest like RIPTIDE.
I am simply proposing a 5-10 day sunset on anonymous posts after the introduction of a new topic.
This will still provide ample opportunity for everyone to enjoy their anonymous schoolyard fights (especially the NOBIE snipers).
After the sunset, if there is still legitimate interest in the topic, maybe something constructive for Pacifica will come out of the discussion by people willing to stand behind their words. At that point, if the conversation turns into a tedious RIPTIDE lecture, it will die naturally under it's own weight. No harm, no foul.

Anonymous said...

He who posts last, posts to last? If you're going to manage the exchange, why futz around? Just slap some Official Fix Pacifica Position labels on the right posts. Feature them prominently. Recycle as appropriate. And, make sure you get the right posts. 22 months til the next election.

Anonymous said...

Maybe someone at city hall should do a study about the ever increasing crime around town.

PACIFICA, CA - On December 18, 2014, at approximately 10:15 PM, Pacifica Police
Department personnel responded to the area in front of Safeway at the Linda Mar Shopping
Center in Pacifica on a report of a strong-armed robbery that had just occurred. The suspect
reportedly punched an adult female victim several times in the face, then fled after stealing cash
from her. The suspect was last seen fleeing on foot towards Highway 1 from Linda Mar
Boulevard.
The victim had visible injuries to her facial area and was transported to a nearby hospital by
ambulance for treatment. Pacifica Police Department personnel conducted an extensive search
of the area on foot and with a police K-9 unit, but were unable to locate the suspect.
The suspect was described as a light skinned African-American or Hispanic male adult, 6’-0’’
tall, approximately 270 pounds, clean shaven, wearing a black hooded sweatshirt, blue jeans
and black shoes.
Investigation into this crime is continuing by the Pacifica Police Department. Persons with
information regarding this crime are asked to contact the Pacifica Police Department at 650-
738-7314. Anonymous tips may be left on the Silent Witness Hotline at 650-359-4444, or via
online crime tip reporting at www.cityofpacifica.org/depts/police/.
Refer Case #14-4310.
Joseph Spanheimer
Acting Chief of Police

Anonymous said...

What is the evidence that there is "ever increasing crime around town"? One incident does not equal a crime wave. I'm not saying there isn't increased crime, but the police department certainly has the numbers. There's no need to "do a study." What types of crime are increasing, decreasing, staying the same? How frequent are the different types of crime? It would be useful to know.

Anonymous said...

11:50

Read the police beat, and or the daily police bulletin.

Anonymous said...

@11:50: Lots of anecdotal evidence, which evidently, you wish to dismiss. For starters, try talking to some of the employees at Fairmont Mall. I have. Robberies of late have increased dramatically and are on the rise. Perhaps a sign of the times in this very, very bad economy - an economy where the middle and lower classes are circling the drain. Washington/Obama promised us improvements from prior and gave us short lived hope. Instead, epic fail. Immigration is out of control. The flood gates have been opened as they continue to bring in those to do the jobs they claim we don't want to do - jobs I did and my ancestors before me did in order to pay the bills. In the meantime, the social welfare rolls increase, subsidized by an unsustainable stock market and those lucky enough to have employment. This has the chilling effect of giving the beneficiaries just enough sustenance to pull the lever and keep voting these schmucks back in.

The crimes all do have one thing in common, however: all of them committed by Anonymouses. I have an alibi. How about you?

Anonymous said...

1:07

Please seek help

Kathy Meeh said...

107, President Obama is not responsible for the Great Recession, nor is he accountable for follow-up Congressional action, inaction or obstruction.

Its likely that you have not been subjected to living outside legal US citizen conditions. And in the modern world, its doubtful you would choose to do some jobs illegal (undocumented) immigrants do, often while living under substandard, disadvantaged conditions.

But since your "justice" comment supports an "ain't it awful" false premise, blanketly attacking politicians, human protection, race, immigration--leading to further idiotic bating of "anonymous" people (while you yourself are posting an anonymous comment)-- why do you waste your time, and ours?

Anonymous said...

I don't know why you say I want to dismiss anecdotal evidence. I only asked questions about what the numbers say. Anecdotes are important as indicators that should lead to looking at the quantitative data. If it's true that robberies at Fairmont mall have increased dramatically and are on the rise, that will be reflected in police department numbers.

Anonymous said...

2:32 and 2:35-
Like the song says, "You are living in your own private Idaho."

3:10-
I would bet that the police metrics back up the anecdotal. People are providing observational opinions and you seem to want to discredit them because you want to hold them to the standard of a court of law. Like a previous poster said, "Look it up yourself."

Anonymous said...

I don't know why you say that I want to discredit people's observations. I'm not challenging what people say. I'm agreeing with you that "police metrics back up the anecdotal." The police have numbers to back up these observations, and those numbers will have more of an impact on people recognizing the crime problem than somebody saying that crime in Pacifica is increasing. I'm not holding anybody to a standard of a court of law. I'm saying that statements about crime in Pacifica are more persuasive when you use police department numbers.

Fairmont is in Daly City silly rabbit! said...

1:07, that is just goofie, don't you know that Fairmont area is part of Daly City? It borders the manor and edgemar neighborhoods, but in fact is within the Daly City City limits. Why worry about Fairmont?

Local Historian Buff said...

This is always a confusing issue down at Mazzetti's. Some old timers told me that Fairmont ALMOST was in Pacifica. Back in 1961, it was part of the County, and they had a vote....join Daly City or join Pacifica. Daly City won by 4 votes.
Nonetheless, some Pacificans have had some affection for this area, being that its so close by, and on the west side of Skyline Blvd, isolated from Daly City. Maybe we could talk to Daly City and annex it. I don't think Daly City cares about it's Fairmont neighborhood at all, not like Westlake. There is a huge pothole by Fairmont Shopping Center.

Tom Clifford said...

Silly Rabbit, You are either have fun with us or you really don't know that the Fairmont district is a part of Pacifica.

Anonymous said...

Wait I thought Fairmont was in San Bruno?

Anonymous said...

Did you know that the word "gullible" is not in the dictionary? Go ahead, look it up.

Tom Clifford said...

For those of you who are still confused about the Fairmont district

As a Planning Commissioner I voted on two separate projects in the Fairmont one was the Cypress Walk housing project. The other was a conversion of a apartment complex to condo's.

Also for those of you will short memory spans Victor Spano lives in the Fairmont district.

Kathy Meeh said...

Thank you Tom 1101. One thing Local Buff(oon) 846 may or may not have got right: a pothole near Fairmont Shopping Center (Pacifica of course). Plenty of potholes on our streets since the rains.

Tom C. said...

Kathy, There are even potholes were Linda Mar Blvd. meets Highway 1. They have developed around the metering senses. I hope there is some kind of warranty on the paving work done there.