tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post9115968182143038216..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Protected Plovers vs threatened "fun loving" beach goersFix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-4727171398666470102013-02-04T18:54:28.440-08:002013-02-04T18:54:28.440-08:00Too late for that. The USFWS is involved and they...Too late for that. The USFWS is involved and they are invested in the idea that the plovers here are a distinct species and threatened. How can we be surprised at what's happened when a succession of city councils did nothing--no signs, no effort to control off-leash dogs. I think the signs may have actually been ordered at one time. Probably in a warehouse somewhere. Council's vote for this beach grab was inevitable. The enviros have brought in powerful allies and they are not going to back off. Surprised it took them so long. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-7975592300238194342013-02-04T17:23:15.589-08:002013-02-04T17:23:15.589-08:00If a plover is a plover is a plover then make it a...If a plover is a plover is a plover then make it a big public announcement at a Concil meeting with supporting scientific documentation. Stop them from spending more of our tax dollars foolishly and giving away more Pacifica real estate to the nutjob enviros.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-39033272750023495372013-02-04T14:32:54.137-08:002013-02-04T14:32:54.137-08:00So it would seem.So it would seem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-68792891388661979582013-02-04T14:03:06.040-08:002013-02-04T14:03:06.040-08:00Julie is the new John Curtis whispering in the cou...Julie is the new John Curtis whispering in the councils ears<br /><br />New council just like the old councilsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-17940711610179595862013-02-04T13:48:23.442-08:002013-02-04T13:48:23.442-08:00All we need to know about this plover thing is tha...All we need to know about this plover thing is that our then mayor, Julie Lancelle, set this thing in motion in 2009. That's when she created a sub-committee of Open Space and PB&R to develop recommendations to protect the plovers and other shore birds. Plovers were on the threatened species list. The sub-committee also included people from the Pacifica Environmental Fam, POOCH, Shorebird Alliance. <br />The rest of the story, short version...Couple years later after a lot of back and forth and more people involved, including the USFWS, the city had a plan that involved no fencing on the beach, a fence along the paved bike path to protect the dunes and plovers, regulatory and educational signs on the beach at 75 foot intervals and in other high traffic spots. The plan seemed adequate, particularly since it followed the measures put in place at Crissy Field and Ocean Beach which also have roosting, not nesting, plovers. Those areas are GGNRA properties. Some folks felt optimistic, that despite the plan and USFWS involvement, absolutely nothing would ever be done because the city was broke. Hahaha. Plan sent to USFWS for comment and they seemed agreeable at first. Back and forth and a USFWS guy assigned to the project.<br />Back and forth and more input from local birders and USFWS wants the signs 25 to 35 feet apart. The city says too many signs on our little beach. Back and forth and USFWS wants a fence instead of the signs, and docents, and a more formal agreement for non-profit group participation, and they don't care about the fence along the bike path (although the Coastal Commission apparently does). Funding of almost $33,000appeared to be available for the plan through USFWS Coastal Programs. Council plays dead and adds the fence to the plan recommendations and votes for it 4 to 1 on January 28, 2013. About then we learn funding may not be available til new fed budget year which starts October 1, 2013. Shore Bird Alliance pleges some $9,000 in matching funds. Bet they're checking their other pockets right now. The plover corral and all the volunteer plover-cops are on the way to LMBeach. Remember who to thank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-1343834143564661832013-02-04T12:24:47.388-08:002013-02-04T12:24:47.388-08:00@846pm Lack of funds has never stopped a Pacifica ...@846pm Lack of funds has never stopped a Pacifica City Council from pandering to enviro interests.<br />This council is no exception. Should they be momentarily distracted by their other disasters, the enviros will find the funds to implement the USFWS approved plan that this council has now agreed to.<br />Not to worry. We won't be spared.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-87219098357203411292013-02-04T11:40:41.790-08:002013-02-04T11:40:41.790-08:00mmm mmm hamburger good, but toasty plovers better ...mmm mmm hamburger good, but toasty plovers better and the city's going to set up a plover farm. with a corral. how thoughtful is that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-60685030324907295812013-02-04T08:46:46.636-08:002013-02-04T08:46:46.636-08:00The council said
We would like a hamburger toda...The council said <br /><br />We would like a hamburger today, and will gladly pay you Tuesday.<br /><br />wimpienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-72241454686838022952013-02-03T23:56:56.956-08:002013-02-03T23:56:56.956-08:00".. the council said they would look at it if...".. the council said they would look at it if there is money. which there is Not and if the coastal commission approves," etc. Anonymous 8:46 PM. <br /><br />Right today, WRONG tomorrow (next funding cycle)! And the city council vote was 4-1 to move forward. See <a href="http://pacificacityca.iqm2.com/Citizens/Detail_Meeting.aspx?ID=1027" rel="nofollow">City Council Agenda direct, 1/28/13</a>, Item 9 (Staff Report and a-i). <br /><br />1. Summary Report, 9/24/12, discussion, last paragraph (9, h): "Staff is currently working with USFW's Coastal Program to secure funding." At city council (1/28/13), oral communications, Shorebird Alliance pledged the matching funding requirement. 2. Map of the WSP PSB site plan, 1/2013 (9, i). <br /><br />The only one out in "left field" still looking for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe_hunt" rel="nofollow">Snipes</a> seems to be you, Anonymous. How "short sighted" and "dumb" is that? (These demeaning and insulting italicized words, are your words; but they apply to you, not others who have made a good effort).Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-78015398635551613632013-02-03T23:29:51.712-08:002013-02-03T23:29:51.712-08:00@846 did you watch the meeting, read the agenda an...@846 did you watch the meeting, read the agenda and packet? you might want to do that before you jump in. want the simple version?<br />go to pacifica index. <br />btw, they may have to wait til the feds new budget starts on 10/1 to apply for the discussed Coastal Programs funding but then again the birders are so freakin' ecstatic they'll probably find grants to pay for it. either way a large part of the north end of the beach will soon be fenced off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-8114388623456071432013-02-03T22:32:37.138-08:002013-02-03T22:32:37.138-08:00Oh no 846? You sure you wanna go with that "...Oh no 846? You sure you wanna go with that "there was no plan presented" story again"? You a little dizzy? The plovers aren't in the quarry, they're at the beach. <br /><br />Collect your thoughts, talk it out, whatev, and then give it another spin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-55349293581681713322013-02-03T22:25:16.269-08:002013-02-03T22:25:16.269-08:00Wasn't it awesome!Wasn't it awesome!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-36982928776495557742013-02-03T22:22:51.596-08:002013-02-03T22:22:51.596-08:00Just a spinnin' and a grinnin' at 846.
Sur...Just a spinnin' and a grinnin' at 846.<br />Sure, sure, it was all a brilliant ploy by council to outwit the birders, their pals, the USFWS, Coastal Commission, etc. Yeah, my money is on council. Truly pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-4068848721624261382013-02-03T22:14:16.720-08:002013-02-03T22:14:16.720-08:00I was watching the Puppy BowlI was watching the Puppy BowlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-78714058477977940922013-02-03T20:46:31.004-08:002013-02-03T20:46:31.004-08:00wow Fix Pacifica is in left field once again. the...wow Fix Pacifica is in left field once again. the council said they would look at it if there is money. which there is Not and if the coastal commission approves. It makes those awful people go away and builds nothing. There was no plan presented. Brilliant I would say. Or are you all just short sighted and ready to criticize everything. Just dumb people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-45798726331023300642013-02-03T17:51:50.057-08:002013-02-03T17:51:50.057-08:00Not all of us who believe these plovers are nothin...Not all of us who believe these plovers are nothing special are part of the dog lobby like poster@311 may be--Just assuming!! based on the link he gave. Some of us just don't like being bullied and decieved by extremists of any stripe. Also not fans of betrayal by elected officials. Really not a fan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-18944274563110639562013-02-03T17:45:36.142-08:002013-02-03T17:45:36.142-08:00Oh god no, not false assumptions, oh please that n...Oh god no, not false assumptions, oh please that not. Not while the Stupor Bowl is being played.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-90635964914201938882013-02-03T17:19:38.394-08:002013-02-03T17:19:38.394-08:00Anon 3:11: you're making false assumptions abo...Anon 3:11: you're making false assumptions about me and what I "choose to believe" and my "agenda." Still dumb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-75935162815308715692013-02-03T15:11:11.392-08:002013-02-03T15:11:11.392-08:00What is dumb, Anon@11:59AM, is anyone who would ac...What is dumb, Anon@11:59AM, is anyone who would accept anything from USFWS et all in light of the history of lies and junk science, e.g., the Drakes Bay Oyster Farm. <br /><br />Anon, you and your ilk choose to believe it because it affirms your agenda. Me, and others, prefer to believe the science. The Western Snowy Plover is merely a subspecies designation for the Snowy Plover. Fact. As Anon@11:30AM put it, Northern Californians are analogous to a subspecies of Californians - no scientific/genetic difference whatsoever. Likewise, you would choose to believe that my brother who lives in New York is a different species than me because he doesn't live in Pacifica. Utter nonsense.<br /><br />Here is your link: http://oceanbeachdog.com/id57.html<br /><br />Thanks for the sanity Anon@11:30AM!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-55393309160504742302013-02-03T14:59:02.867-08:002013-02-03T14:59:02.867-08:00Actually 1159 there's some interesting info ou...Actually 1159 there's some interesting info out there on this subject. The plover is not just a coastal bird and the ones called Western Snowy Plovers do not differ genetically from the very common plovers found inland throughout the US and elsewhere. They are prolific. A threatened species? The numbers don't support that. More likely, it's as simple as most of these birds live inland. Do we really need to help them move to the coast? Is that natural?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-24923679916241450582013-02-03T11:59:40.593-08:002013-02-03T11:59:40.593-08:00@ Anon 11:30: so we're supposed to believe ano...@ Anon 11:30: so we're supposed to believe anonymous you with no reference or citation, instead of the US Fish & Wildlife Service? That's beyond weak. It's dumb. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-81440221838080090622013-02-03T11:30:34.457-08:002013-02-03T11:30:34.457-08:00there is no such thing as a western snowy plover. ...there is no such thing as a western snowy plover. it is like calling someone a "Northern Californian". maybe a different breed of cat than someone from Orange County, but same species. it is a big scam by the envirowackos and F&W.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-12938128179008508222013-02-03T10:10:38.205-08:002013-02-03T10:10:38.205-08:00so they sold out the city's only economic engi...so they sold out the city's only economic engine for a mere $32000. Because Julie Lancelle said so. Great job "new" city council. Your first vote was a disaster of epic proportions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-77445490091007256772013-02-02T16:38:58.380-08:002013-02-02T16:38:58.380-08:00Why did they do it? Not ruling out any of the reas...Why did they do it? Not ruling out any of the reasons other posters have given, definitely not, but IMHO oouncils' latest dazzler is all about the money. Well, more like the lack of money in Pacifica. They needed the $32,903 in Coastal program grant funds offered by the USFW (fish&game) for plover habitat protection. USFW kept suggesting, yeah merely suggesting and not requiring, a fence instead of the city's proposed series of signs in the sand and the new council 4 rolled over. Went belly up. A second consideration was the dune protections required by the CCC as a condition of the recently obtained paid parking program permit.<br /> So to sum up, our new council 4 sold the beach, and swung the door wide open to the eventual loss of recreational use, for $32,000 and some pie in the sky parking program which may never even break even. Gee, they regularly pay more for consultants to study the studies of other consultants. That must have been the confusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-48250444175663294572013-02-02T15:17:52.759-08:002013-02-02T15:17:52.759-08:00c'mon people, these are politicians. they'...c'mon people, these are politicians. they're not about to piss off all those votes and the enviros (full range from rabid to mild)are still a lot of the votes in this town whether you want to believ it or not. ervin and nihart got all the enviro nobie endorsements. we shouldn't expect much out of them other than some acting and handwringing. oh and apologies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com