tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post8666430229306947398..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Pine Wins, Jefferson Bond Issue Goes DownFix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-10616200868680060082011-05-07T12:52:21.132-07:002011-05-07T12:52:21.132-07:00Anon 12:04pm, the factual track record of public e...Anon 12:04pm, the factual track record of public employees and consequence as the results of their actions (or avoidance of actions) leading in City to improvement (or lack there of) is fair game. <br /><br />My commentary 10:56pm was related to Fix Pacifica blogger policy specifically, but you knew that because your statement is a twist. <br /><br />Here is Fix Pacifica posting guidelines (also viewable in the upper left side of this blog as stated by Steve Sinai, Blogmaster): "People may comment anonymously, but any comments that degenerate into 1) personal attacks against individual blog participants; 2) incomprehensible gibberish; or 3) attempts to turn conversations into grade-school playground brawls, will be removed."<br /><br />Hopefully your comments will be more thoughtful in the future. Steve just posted his response, but I'm also posting mine.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-10913180394932976642011-05-07T12:49:46.621-07:002011-05-07T12:49:46.621-07:00I have deleted over-the-top comments about some of...I have deleted over-the-top comments about some of the council members in the past, but for the most part, politicians are fair game when it comes to criticism. My concern is in not allowing Fix Pacifica to become an echo chamber, where only one viewpoint is heard because anyone who presents an alternative perspective is chased off by personal attacks.<br /><br />I won't pretend that all comments here are "thoughtful, honest, high quality, and respectful." Any forum where people are allowed to post anonymously will result in lots of low quality comments, with a few higher quality ones mixed in. Hopefully, people can recognize and filter-out the former and focus on the latter.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-90915102782720345482011-05-07T12:04:37.355-07:002011-05-07T12:04:37.355-07:00So of course you'll delete the unwelcome perso...So of course you'll delete the unwelcome personal attacks on Vreeland, DeJarnatt, and Digre - "thoughtful, honest, high quality, and respectful. Perfect!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-61089000509471757752011-05-07T10:56:00.721-07:002011-05-07T10:56:00.721-07:00Steve, I think one of the comments I saw in spam (...Steve, I think one of the comments I saw in spam (unrelated to the "confused" attacks) was that of Officer McFall response to Todd Bray. And, that was a public employee view comment worth posting as an article. <br /><br />I don't remember seeing the McFall comment in spam prior, and was surprised in attempting to find it in restored form, it was a several day old comment. So, that may have been the google spam poltergeist at work, which happens periodically. <br /><br />Thanks Steve, for your guidance in keeping the unwelcome personal attacks down, and the blog forum moving in a mostly positive, serious city dialog direction. Citizen comments and article postings are for the most part thoughtful, honest, high quality, and respectful. Perfect!Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-12062884474218639022011-05-07T02:43:42.885-07:002011-05-07T02:43:42.885-07:00If the comment you're referring to was the one...If the comment you're referring to was the one about someone being confused - yes, I deleted it. It wasn't a comment. It was an insult posted by an anonymous coward.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-13262400110342360882011-05-06T22:43:40.884-07:002011-05-06T22:43:40.884-07:00Anon 9:07pm, mainly attacks are spammed. Comments ...Anon 9:07pm, mainly attacks are spammed. Comments like the one you just made, for example. <br /><br />Outside our control, google periodically spams comments, so that may have happened to your two comments. Pending Steve (blogmaster) review, I am restoring these.Fix Pacificahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-83125871263307210662011-05-06T21:07:50.647-07:002011-05-06T21:07:50.647-07:00Once again, my comment was deleted from this blog....Once again, my comment was deleted from this blog. Bunch of lying hypocrites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-30382594031914708102011-05-06T19:56:30.976-07:002011-05-06T19:56:30.976-07:00Confused? Or willing to say just about anything t...Confused? Or willing to say just about anything to make a point? <br />On Measure C, many people just said no because they think they can't afford it, some said no because they have no kids in school and don't see the value for society, and a scary number of confused voters let their anger towards the city council color their attitude about schools--seeing them all as one big incompetent, free-spending mob. The losers? The kids and the communities they live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-72812146875664589692011-05-06T18:03:25.919-07:002011-05-06T18:03:25.919-07:00Laurie,
While I was marking my ballot Yes, what ke...Laurie,<br />While I was marking my ballot Yes, what kept running through my mind was the incompetent, welfare minded, one-sided and dishonest city council we have. With the help of their no development friends they have wrecked every opportunity to create wealth in Pacifica and they continue to try to raise taxes in order to subsidize their lifestyle choice. In better times, cities all over the country contributed discretionary funds to their local schools, particularly from their redevelopment districts. To my knowledge, Pacifica has never done this, even when deJarnatt and Vreeland were lying about a $7,000,000 reserve to secure incumbancy.<br />Rational or not, I had to ignore these feelings in order to vote Yes on C because it also felt like a vote to continue enabling this Council.<br />Now our kid's get to subsidize these rotten council people and their friends.mike bellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-81084660552826391482011-05-06T17:33:40.578-07:002011-05-06T17:33:40.578-07:00Markus,
Your math on the city council member'...Markus,<br /><br />Your math on the city council member's votes is off. Since each voter can vote for 2 or 3 council members depending on the year, the percentage of voters who voted for each candidate is 2 or 3 times higher than the percentage shown. So Jim Vreeland and Sue Digre each got votes from about 45% of the voters.<br /><br />That is still a minority, but it's a lot more than 15%, and the important point is that the got more votes than the candidates that lost. In the case of Measure C, the 60% of us who voted for it lost, and the 40% who voted against it won.ian butlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-2438061536947395602011-05-06T17:29:30.691-07:002011-05-06T17:29:30.691-07:00Unfortunately Laurie that seems to be the case. Mo...Unfortunately Laurie that seems to be the case. Most folks don't know just how many government agencies there are in town. A lot of folks don't know the school and water districts have their own elections, boards and budgets and that our local city government has nothing to do with any of them legally or financially.todd brayhttp://fixpacifica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-30328287100581773932011-05-06T16:33:39.767-07:002011-05-06T16:33:39.767-07:00To Markus @ 11:00 a.m.
While I appreciate your &qu...To Markus @ 11:00 a.m.<br />While I appreciate your "Yes" vote for Measure C, I'm concerned by your statement that "Measure C failure is likely a voter’s indictment of past actions by council’s majority 3, largely responsible for the financial fix this city finds itself in."<br />Measure C was put on the ballot by the Jefferson Union High School District, which serves Daly City, Colma and Brisbane as well as Pacifica.<br />(Incidentally, if Measure C had passed, about 70% of the funds raised would have come from outside of Pacifica, but - with 2 of its 4 traditional high schools here - Pacifica could have benefitted disproportionately!)<br />Although the JUHSD works closely with all of the cities and the elementary school district within its boundaries on matters of mutual concern, it is a completely separate entity, with it's own school board and management, so punishing the school district because of dissatisfaction with city management would be a bit like punching me because you want to hit my neighbor! I hope that wasn't anyone's motivation!Laurie Fraternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-68524561457114271392011-05-06T15:58:09.217-07:002011-05-06T15:58:09.217-07:00Marcus (1100), thanks for proving we have a minori...Marcus (1100), thanks for proving we have a minority run city. Think we can count and vote for the right number of candidates next time? Probably not. <br /><br />On Riptide, Carl May said requiring a 2/3 vote for the parcel tax was not "democracy", but I think he may have forgot that a selective group (parcel owners only) are paying that bill.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-69332413810635317472011-05-06T11:00:41.497-07:002011-05-06T11:00:41.497-07:00Ian said "The minority has spoken". Iro...Ian said "The minority has spoken". Ironically, that’s what I find myself saying after each of several past elections where council incumbents get re-elected. In 2010 Digre & Vreeland garnered 14% & 13% respectively. Measure C received 59% of the vote. Your statement is not applicable. <br />I voted yes, but didn’t expect the measure to pass. IMO, this was not a vote against schools. Property owners are fed up, tired and broke having to bare much of the cost of running this city, due to lacking commercial tax revenues. Owners are looking closer now at council’s and appointee’s actions and spending priorities. I doubt most are happy with what they find. <br />Measure C failure is likely a voter’s indictment of past actions by council’s majority 3, largely responsible for the financial fix this city finds itself in. I doubt voters will vote for additional assessments, fees or taxes until there is a change in city council majority. We need people on council with a more balanced vision.Markusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-19414796210663278262011-05-06T00:32:48.466-07:002011-05-06T00:32:48.466-07:00anon1230May5, more BS, you're unbelievable. So...anon1230May5, more BS, you're unbelievable. Sounds personal rather than political. How long do you think Lionel should have waited? This city's finances aren't going to improve for years and that has nothing to do with Lionel Emde and everything to do with people at City Hall who have taken advantage of fuzzy legal issues, sweetheart contracts, political shenanigans and general incompetence in order to screw the public--if not intentionally then by negligence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-28843395253222611782011-05-06T00:16:31.559-07:002011-05-06T00:16:31.559-07:00Oh no, I want them to suffer thru this disaster al...Oh no, I want them to suffer thru this disaster along with the rest of us and in public. Then kick 'em to the curb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-55130896618963947072011-05-05T18:11:46.556-07:002011-05-05T18:11:46.556-07:00Steve Sinai said...
I publicly pledge to vote for...Steve Sinai said... <br />I publicly pledge to vote for the utility users tax if Digre, DeJarnatt and Vreeland resign before then. <br /><br />I'll second that.mike bellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-52964728650819924022011-05-05T07:00:34.512-07:002011-05-05T07:00:34.512-07:00Lionel had a disagreement with staff over 218. He ...Lionel had a disagreement with staff over 218. He repeatedly asked the city change its policy regarding 218. Staff hubris caused the city money not Lionel's lawsuit. And he has brought a certain amount of democracy to the process that was up until now an act of sovereignty by staff and the previous waste hauler.todd brayhttp://fixpacifica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-58701076272941880892011-05-05T00:30:18.948-07:002011-05-05T00:30:18.948-07:00Emde cost the COP several thousands of dollars to ...Emde cost the COP several thousands of dollars to make HIS point about an area of the law that is legally fuzzy (statute is not clear and the courts have not interpreted the issue). <br /><br />Just like his insistence that employees take more cuts NOW given the city's fiscal sitch, couldn't he have put the brakes on his urge to until the economy was a little better to TRY to prove his point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-46758895830794551802011-05-05T00:09:18.802-07:002011-05-05T00:09:18.802-07:00I'd vote for a utility tax if we just had an e...I'd vote for a utility tax if we just had an experienced, talented finance director but while you're at it Great Oz, we'd also like 3 new council members each having courage, heart and a brain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-47245449305626812122011-05-04T23:59:02.748-07:002011-05-04T23:59:02.748-07:00I'm calling recurring bullshit on anon10:18. ...I'm calling recurring bullshit on anon10:18. Sounds like they're over on the darkside.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-84966000807506046432011-05-04T23:52:55.340-07:002011-05-04T23:52:55.340-07:00Anon@10:18, again with the attack on Lionel Emde? ...Anon@10:18, again with the attack on Lionel Emde? Personal? Hit a nerve with you, did he?<br />It isn't the money that bothers you, it's the fact that he pursued it and prevailed. Emde saw something he felt was wrong, tried to go thru channels and got shut down by those in power. Fed up with the run-around and bullying from city hall he pursued his complaint legally because he felt he was right and he knew people were being misled and poorly served by the mutts we blindly elected and the trash company they fancied. People like Emde shine the light for the rest of us. I don't think that works for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-58609471193015828162011-05-04T23:01:21.124-07:002011-05-04T23:01:21.124-07:00Anon 1018, regarding your Lionel attack, transpare...Anon 1018, regarding your Lionel attack, transparency trumps being Anonymous every time. So "transparency" is worth some city "chump change", and sure beats the cost of consultants with the focused purpose to further tax our citizens. <br /><br />As our friend Mike said several weeks ago "Develop the damn quarry". And as Steve said (1041), with some hope this city can improve, the utility users tax would pass.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-81704703090943551912011-05-04T22:41:07.772-07:002011-05-04T22:41:07.772-07:00I publicly pledge to vote for the utility users ta...I publicly pledge to vote for the utility users tax if Digre, DeJarnatt and Vreeland resign before then.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-16164900141097200342011-05-04T22:18:02.393-07:002011-05-04T22:18:02.393-07:00Yes mr emde how much money did you just cost us ta...Yes mr emde how much money did you just cost us taxpayers? Can you say disingenuous?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com