tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post6219007400357920595..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: John's view of Pacifica's news and blogosphereFix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-52895457449588217272013-08-05T15:05:35.828-07:002013-08-05T15:05:35.828-07:00Jeff Bezos, the Amazon billionaire, just bought th...Jeff Bezos, the Amazon billionaire, just bought the venerable Washington Post for $250 million. Unexpected. End of an era for the Graham family who owned and operated the paper for 80 years. Played a key role in Watergate. <br />The NY Times very recently sold the Boston Globe to the guy who owns the Red Sox. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-34621406418037403612013-08-05T07:26:03.857-07:002013-08-05T07:26:03.857-07:00I never google. FB is better. When you like all ne...I never google. FB is better. When you like all news outlets you get updates on your page. Latest breaking news updates. Awesome and time saving.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-45410068755857676382013-08-05T06:41:21.508-07:002013-08-05T06:41:21.508-07:00Kathy
The SF Examiner is a dead newspaper. It was...Kathy<br /><br />The SF Examiner is a dead newspaper. It was once a powerhouse afternoon Paper. Now it is given away for free.<br /><br />The Chronicle is a shell of what it used to be 20 years ago.<br /><br />The Tribune, well I wonder why it exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-83821332313285762962013-08-04T23:13:10.801-07:002013-08-04T23:13:10.801-07:00"Learn how to use Google", Anonymous 10:..."Learn how to use Google", Anonymous 10:17 PM. <br /><br />Really, where are those statistics that support your 11:32 AM theory that "the newspaper industry is dead"? Bet you could find them if you looked into ancient web history, more than "last hour or 24 hours or last week or month or year." <br /><br />Meantime, here's a thoughtful <a href="http://www.npr.org/2012/03/05/147956695/4-survival-strategies-for-struggling-newspapers" rel="nofollow">NPR newspaper survival article, 3/5/12.</a>Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-69241504974781357152013-08-04T22:17:49.336-07:002013-08-04T22:17:49.336-07:00Hutch said "a lot of what is online is old or...Hutch said "a lot of what is online is old or outdated. In the paper most everything is current. How many time have you done a Google search and articles 5 or 10 years old come up?" Never. I limit my search to the last hour or 24 hours or last week or month or year. Learn how to use Google.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-71960434534003631292013-08-04T22:08:24.333-07:002013-08-04T22:08:24.333-07:005:59 is just stating the obvious. We're having...5:59 is just stating the obvious. We're having this discussion online, not on paper. I read the SF Chronicle online, and the NY Times online, and the Tribune online. I subscribe to several magazines because I started the subscriptions years ago before they were the internet. But I could dispense with those paper copies and read all those magazines online if I just got around to doing that. I'm lazy, so the print magazines keep getting renewed and keep arriving in my mailbox. I'm only 1 step away from going all digital and saying goodbye to print forever. And people in their teens, 20's, 30's 40's don't use print much at all. Look around. They're all on their smartphones. It's the future, dude. Next comes Google glass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-47122300751412702422013-08-04T20:35:50.616-07:002013-08-04T20:35:50.616-07:00Anon 559 must be a salesperson for Google ad words...Anon 559 must be a salesperson for Google ad words. Pay for clicks hasn't panned out so he's bitter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-18749481148461233252013-08-04T17:59:55.793-07:002013-08-04T17:59:55.793-07:00LOL. Where are you geniuses conducting this argume...LOL. Where are you geniuses conducting this argument? On paper?<br /><br />Paper is so 1990.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-82498160427089402842013-08-04T16:11:37.524-07:002013-08-04T16:11:37.524-07:00There's a lot more going on with how we read o...There's a lot more going on with how we read or shop than just the gathering of goods and info. It's about more than just the mechanics. It's cultural and societal and it's personal. There are always outliers perfectly comfortable at one extreme or the other--and age has little to do with it. To misinterpret an extreme as the norm is, uh, pretty extreme and myopic. Even self-absorbed. The printed word and image won't be disappearing any time soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-71577128660333626422013-08-04T14:49:01.770-07:002013-08-04T14:49:01.770-07:00That's right Kathy. And a lot of what is onlin...That's right Kathy. And a lot of what is online is old or outdated. In the paper most everything is current. How many time have you done a Google search and articles 5 or 10 years old come up?<br /><br />People assume a lot. Like the internet is where most people shop. Fact is most retail purchases are made in person.<br /><br />Even teens prefer to shop in person. "78% of girls and 75% of boys said they’d rather go to actual stores." http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/10/teens-shop-with-clicks-but-prefer-bricks/<br /><br />Things aren't always what they seem.Hutchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-60465659080624190612013-08-04T14:21:15.830-07:002013-08-04T14:21:15.830-07:00"Everything in your Sunday paper is online.&q..."Everything in your Sunday paper is online." BS Anonymous, 1:11 PM.<br /><br />Wrong, not everything is the same, or available, variations between on-line and print exist. That's reality. Examples, placement of articles, edited writing, titles, current content, ads may all be different. And, for you, no funny papers on line locally. Summary: the style of reading is different, and the content varies. <br /><br />Readership trends are a separate issue, which you have yet to prove through reliable statistics. As you suggested, try google. <br /><br />Wild age guessing has what to do with google search? But do continue to think me (and others in you imagination) as age 80, even 120, how about 140? Meantime, without statistical evidence backing up your opinion, I'll continue to think of you as age 10.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-77047631561670231022013-08-04T13:53:37.800-07:002013-08-04T13:53:37.800-07:00Seriously are you people in a time warp. Who reads...Seriously are you people in a time warp. Who reads magazines any more, its all online.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-38171687513433973352013-08-04T13:29:17.821-07:002013-08-04T13:29:17.821-07:00TV ads take up most large and medium-sized firm...TV ads take up most large and medium-sized firm's advertising dollars. Magazines live or die by their ads. The ongoing struggles and, often, failure of newspapers starts with their inability to sell advertising space. A few will survive and as long as one of them is the NYTimes, life is good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-40481281381696260092013-08-04T13:11:29.271-07:002013-08-04T13:11:29.271-07:00Kathy
Are you 80. Everything in your Sunday paper...Kathy<br /><br />Are you 80. Everything in your Sunday paper is online.<br /><br />Google can be your best friend if you use it wiselyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-45056593567134336572013-08-04T12:01:11.457-07:002013-08-04T12:01:11.457-07:00Well, every industry is in transition. Times chang...Well, every industry is in transition. Times change.<br /><br />But with the realization that "print still dominates" and that's where advertisers put the bulk of their advertising monies (Hutch 10:59 AM), I'm on my way upstairs to read the two Sunday newspapers you suggest are dead, (Anonymous 11:26 AM, 11:32 AM). And, if only 80+ year olds are reading these dead newspapers, the print should be larger, and there should be more geriatric advertising. Why isn't that happening?Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-8021430471984654112013-08-04T11:32:57.668-07:002013-08-04T11:32:57.668-07:00Hutch
The SF Examiner was a major newspaper 25 ye...Hutch<br /><br />The SF Examiner was a major newspaper 25 years ago. Look at it now. A freebie newspaper.<br /><br />Thus I just gave you a case and point arguement.<br /><br />The newspaper industry is dead!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-63754978972391187872013-08-04T11:26:50.596-07:002013-08-04T11:26:50.596-07:00Hutch
Are you over 80?
Newspapers are dead.
Tak...Hutch<br /><br />Are you over 80?<br /><br />Newspapers are dead.<br /><br />Take a look at the Boston Globe, it just sold for 93% less then the previous sale price.<br /><br />Why? The internet and Amazon.com killed the newspaper and most of the brick and mortar stores.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-52693070724287427432013-08-04T10:59:06.598-07:002013-08-04T10:59:06.598-07:00hmmm, you're sadly misinformed 10:04. I'v...hmmm, you're sadly misinformed 10:04. I've worked in marketing over 20 years in both online and print. <br /><br />All the big players spend most of their money on print because it is still PROVEN the most used by consumers to check ads. They don't spend billions on print without verifying results every year.<br /><br />The internet is extremely important and gaining ground every year, but print still dominates. Yes newspapers are struggling but they have gained ground in the past couple of years. <br /><br />I think as young people realize the internet isn't always the best place to find up to date accurate data many will move to print for some of their needs.Hutchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-72285973032221878482013-08-04T10:04:27.755-07:002013-08-04T10:04:27.755-07:00Hutch, those decisions are made by advertising fir...Hutch, those decisions are made by advertising firms that are just trying to extract as much money from Safeway, Lowes, Sears, Macy's and many more fortune 500 companies as they can.<br /><br />Granted, there is small minority of people who don't own a computer or smart phone, but the demographic curve means that they are just getting smaller. The fact that they waste such a disproportionate amount of the chamber's budget on this audience is a telling measure of their incompetence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-3418336941782037982013-08-04T07:29:17.262-07:002013-08-04T07:29:17.262-07:00Hutch
Do you mean that stuff I line the bird cage...Hutch<br /><br />Do you mean that stuff I line the bird cage with, or wrap fish in?<br /><br />I guess you missed the memo 15 years ago. The Newspaper in Print form is dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-90668124032237243612013-08-03T23:52:57.220-07:002013-08-03T23:52:57.220-07:00Never considered those chamber directories to be a...Never considered those chamber directories to be advertising. In 10 years the only thing I ever looked up was the drycleaners to find out what time they closed. I'd agree with Hutch that print advertising still has a place in retail and grocery, but the chamber directory is a waste of paper and money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-63496277045788563702013-08-03T22:59:27.035-07:002013-08-03T22:59:27.035-07:00@ Anon 742, You like many falsely believe print is...@ Anon 742, You like many falsely believe print is no longer relevant. Safeway, Lowes, Sears, Macy's and many more fortune 500 companies spend millions studying what works best and they all choose to spend most of their advertising dollars in print.<br /><br />Those Pacifica directories WERE still relevant. It was a easy quick way to find a local business. Now that they made the mistake of only listing chamber members they are much less relevant.Hutchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-21599791275436406322013-08-03T19:42:38.689-07:002013-08-03T19:42:38.689-07:00You and the other three people who don't know ...You and the other three people who don't know how to use Google will really show them!<br /><br />The fact that they even waste money on a paper directory shows how out of touch the chamber is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-3656482696916025592013-08-03T18:54:27.669-07:002013-08-03T18:54:27.669-07:00In other news of the city today:
The new Chamber ...In other news of the city today:<br /><br />The new Chamber phone book came out today. Nice to know only chamber members get placed in the city phone book. The last one was a community directory. This is just about pimping the chamber members. I will consider not using them in protest!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-84384337958174200322013-08-03T18:05:51.609-07:002013-08-03T18:05:51.609-07:00The previous comments are exactly what I meant @9:...The previous comments are exactly what I meant @9:45.<br /><br />I disagree with Maybury, but he's entitled to his opinion. The dumbing down of all discourse by people who are unable to have discussions outside of their silly Fox News echo chamber is what's wrong with this country. Intellectually, people are fat and lazy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com