tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post4758925224799388499..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Pacifica Sales Tax Revenue 3rd quarter losses 2009Fix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-66085452159730514882010-02-11T19:30:11.734-08:002010-02-11T19:30:11.734-08:00Richard, the numbers you have cited are incorrect....Richard, the numbers you have cited are incorrect. Anything that is designated as a minus is in error and is actually a plus (source: Wikipedia; Section: "Best Accounting Practices"). The mistake can be attributed to "a simple clerical error".Sandy Richardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-72765415595662048162010-02-11T18:14:06.557-08:002010-02-11T18:14:06.557-08:00From Half Moon Bay's Talkabout blog:
Major Bu...From Half Moon Bay's <a href="http://talkabout.hmbreview.com/topic.php?t=5671" rel="nofollow">Talkabout blog</a>:<br /><br />Major Budget Crisis in HMB.. Layoffs around the corner<br />City Council, posted by SueInMontara, a resident of Montara, 1 hour ago<br /> <br />Just heard from a City Hall insider the following Budget issues impacting the City of HMB.<br /><br />- There is currently a $2.1 million total revenue shortfall; this shortfall represents 20% of the total amount of funds the City expected to spend this year (2010).<br /><br />- City is planning proactive action:<br /><br />* Staff is working with Council to identify both short-term<br /><br />and long-term solutions<br /><br />* City Council Strategic Planning Session on Sat., Feb, 20th<br /><br />* No EASY short-term faixes - there are liekely to be changes in<br /><br />in service levels and/or delivery models (i.e. Massive layoffs)<br /><br />Revenue Losses include:<br /><br />TYPE PERCENT ADOPTED ESTIMATED PERCENT OF REVENUE REVENUE CHANGE BUDGET<br /><br />Transiet Occupancy Tax 35% $4,011,000 $3,164,873 -21%<br /><br />Property Tax 21% $2,333,527 $2,105,453 -10%<br /><br />Sales Tax 16% $1,771,087 $1,558,974 -12%<br /><br />Development Fees 11% $1,109,765 $559,681 -50%Richard Saundersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-54706085265412278822010-01-25T16:23:47.215-08:002010-01-25T16:23:47.215-08:00The issue about building Pacifica as a destination...The issue about building Pacifica as a destination city has 2 drawbacks from the powers that be: it would require a change in the infrastructure they're not willing to make, and it would mean people coming to Pacifica from out of town, who they don't really want in Pacifica.<br /><br />If you want the marketing, amenities, and infrastructure to make Pacifica somewhat economically viable, the city needs to vote out any incumbents and their stooges and get some fresh and intelligent bodies on the city council.<br /><br />Crunching some of the numbers in preparation for the 2008 election, I found that even with existing business doing rather well, the city has accumulated so much debt and deferred maintenance that it could not become a "functioning" city for over 2 decades.<br /><br />This is the legacy the last 8 years has left the children of Pacifica: pretty hills, and not a dime for their future.Jeffrey W Simonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00177874741526642177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-73454437019470454862010-01-25T14:48:17.185-08:002010-01-25T14:48:17.185-08:00To some extent, we do need to look like every othe...To some extent, we <i>do</i> need to look like every other town in America. There are basics we need and want close by. <br /><br />I'm with Bark Nuggets, we want our existing businesses to be as healthy and vibrant as possible, and looking sharper and maybe located smarter, too. And we want to stand out with something exceptional, something that makes people really want to come visit (and bring their wallets). If you bring someone out from other parts of the country, what will they comment on on the ride back from SFO, coming down Sharp Park? What will they mention as they top the hill and see Linda Mar beach? Based on the reactions I've seen ("I can't believe you get to live here!"), there's definitely potential for building up Pacifica as a destination. Much of what people would come for was here long before we were. Now, how to add in the right amenities and marketing to help people find it, come, and enjoy it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-52122467861695340512010-01-25T14:28:50.029-08:002010-01-25T14:28:50.029-08:00I think we agree that it's a very disturbing s...I think we agree that it's a very disturbing statistic to see! <br /><br />I worry that in pursuit of a solution, we'll seek an immediate one with a quick payoff and ignore any courses of action that might help us thrive over the long run.<br /><br />The trouble is that our problems exist now and may not be fixable with a long-term plan. Of course, there's no reason why a short-term fix and a long-term solution might not coexist. It's a complicated problem of city mangement, to be sure.<br /><br />Thank you for your initial post and enlightening us all as to Pacifica's financial state. I truly appreciate it.Bark Nuggetsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-61923390179557227512010-01-25T14:19:54.944-08:002010-01-25T14:19:54.944-08:00Right, Pacifica already has less than any other ci...Right, Pacifica already has less than any other city in San Mateo county, we must be doing something right.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-75181106674754984812010-01-25T13:23:41.452-08:002010-01-25T13:23:41.452-08:00To clarify, a ban on new chain stores, not existin...To clarify, a ban on new chain stores, not existing ones.<br /><br />Pacifica had a movie theater and it was replaced with? You got it -- another chain store.<br /><br />Lucy's Sweet Delights went under. What a shame. I loved that place. I'm calling it now -- get ready for a cell-phone provider. Maybe T-Mobile. That'll bring in all the out-of-towners to Pacifica.<br /><br />Do we really want Pacifica to resemble every other town in America with a StarbucksMcDonaldsSubwaySafewayRite-Aid7-ElevenDominoes on every block?Bark Nuggetsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-83796517305208916542010-01-25T13:09:10.844-08:002010-01-25T13:09:10.844-08:00Now we have "Bark Nuggets". Chain store ...Now we have "Bark Nuggets". Chain store ban, there goes most of city commerce.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-49955961467385963342010-01-25T13:07:01.127-08:002010-01-25T13:07:01.127-08:00Anonymous, thanks for your clarification that you ...Anonymous, thanks for your clarification that you support SF golf course, I found that exchange confusing, and later considered the hypothetical restaurant and one-at-a-time store detailed outlet considerations completely derailing. <br /><br />This 8 year city council has supported the pie-in-the-sky "city strategic plan" of trails to "everywhere". Later we learned their city economic plan is "Recreation" without supporting broad infrastructure for that to succeed, and without much visible support for even SP Golf Course. <br /><br />So much land has now been transferred to the GGNRA that the GGNRA representative referred to Pacifica as "park city". For "marketing", possibly the city emblem should be changed-out to be "smoky the bear", and our rangers should look more like the old version of Canadian Mounties. <br /><br />Marketing may help, but the city needs to support bigger plans to bring in tax revenue and services. Doing almost nothing and eliminating land doesn't solve the city economic structural problem, or provide services and jobs to our citizens. <br /> <br />Peebles Corporation offered a quality, balanced urban city village plan/concept, including residential units. Given the opportunity, Peebles also might have also developed the Beach Blvd/Palmetto Av old old WWTP property. Apparently Don Peebles walked the area and had that conversation with a city council representative. Improving the golf course facility was intended.<br /><br />Since that didn't happen, what's next? The Premium Outlet Mall concept originally suggested by Barbara Carr, presented by Steve early in these comment postings, would be a workable alternative, pending professional developer demographic research. None of this is "rocket science", nor can it happen without large developer expertise and ability to cut through "nothing for Pacifica" nonsense. <br /><br />Kathleen, thanks for the Hunter's Point redevelopment update. I'm more in agreement with you on the movie theater, and consider the "ice rink" to be an interesting idea pending developer professional area research. Oh, you're such a economic cynic Steve!Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-34772933889064558342010-01-25T12:43:11.026-08:002010-01-25T12:43:11.026-08:00I've said that you can encapsulate Pacifica --...I've said that you can encapsulate Pacifica -- the good, the bad, and the ugly -- by pointing to the Taco Bell on Linda Mar Beach.<br /><br />Here is nicely built structure situated on a beautiful location. First class spot. And we put a Taco Bell on it. C'mon, is this the best we can do in Pacifica?<br /><br />Other times I waffle and point to the Self-Storage on Palmeto as "Pacifica." Those storage units have awesom ocean views.<br /><br />I'm seeing the City with new eyes. I've rented for many years, moved to Milbrae, and have returned to Pacifica, purchasing a home in the Linda Mar area. As a homeowner with a stake in the City's health, you bet I'm becoming a bit more aware and concerned with what's going on in my municipality.<br /><br />I see a startling lack of any cohesive city development plan. Auto shops rub shoulders with bakeries which sit next to cute boutiques which share sidewalks with metal shops and laundromats. Is there any over-arching business plan? It appears to me that business licenses were granted willy-nilly with no sense of how it all fits together to create shopping magnets.<br /><br />I think of the attractive locales to shop on the peninsula: Noe Valley, Hayes Valley, downtown Burlingame, downtown Menlo Park. They have unique shops and are geared toward the pedestrian shopper. You need to get people to come, park, and get out of their cars. I'm sure the staff at Hawaiin BBQ are very nice, but another chain restaurant that's the same in every other town in California isn't getting people to come, stop, and shop.<br /><br />As for how to breathe life into our existing business districts? Anonymous isn't too far off. I went exploring at Park Pacifica a few weeks ago, not exactly knowing what was there. I was surprised to find there was an inner courtyard -- I wasn't aware there was an entrance. I was further surprised to discover the condition of said courtyard. It looks like it ought to be condemned!<br /><br />1) existing business districts need a serious top-to-bottom revitalization campaign. Redesign streets for traffic-calming, to encourage parking, and increased pedestrian safety.<br /><br />2) enact a chain-store ban<br /><br />3) encourage business start-ups<br /><br />4) realign zones to that industrial business don't sit side-by-side with retail.<br /><br />Just some off-the-cuff thoughts.Bark Nuggetsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-21297791540684148962010-01-25T12:22:20.479-08:002010-01-25T12:22:20.479-08:00I do, and they don't. They watch movies at ho...I do, and they don't. They watch movies at home or over at friends'. They also play video games. Neither of those take them to theaters. They also get together with friends at sponsored group events. Nothing wrong with hockey, but there's more than one way to give them fun things to do.<br /><br />California did <i>not</i> ban big screens. In the recent legislation, there was an exception carved out for power consumption for the large plasma displays. So all is well. No pitchforks or torches necessary. (There sure was a lot of hysteria around that one until some people actually read what was passed). Once the large LED TVs catch up, there might be more power legislation, but that remains to be seen.<br /><br />Streaming movies are happening now, and more is coming (rumors of Apple going into this big time).<br /><br />Industries do collapse. Movie theaters in high population density areas are doing ok. Movie theaters in less densely populated areas are becoming things of the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-69536400920250339162010-01-25T12:10:40.203-08:002010-01-25T12:10:40.203-08:00Do you have young people living in your home? I do...Do you have young people living in your home? I do. They love going to the movies. Anyway, isn't cali banning big screens, already did? Once those smart boxes get installed everyone's energy bill is going to skyrocket. I am predicting; cable co's are going to lose big in the future. There was a article, recently, called, "going back to the simpler way of living", which took a survey on how people are cutting back. This is just the beginning I am predicting. On my fb, I have people from all around the world. A few, cops, firemen, have already been laid off and have cut their cables and internet access. They are taking their family out of their home more often, dropping kids off at a mall, while they sit in a cafe internet. Open your eyes. Look into the future. Nothing stays the same forever. Industry's collapse and it's the simple things that return. The simpler things; sports, movies, tailors , shoe cobblers will return. Without them too many children who are graduating will get into trouble, which means, more crime and fighting in the streets. We have a problem with that now, it's on the rise. Nothing to do? Let's fight and steal. Might as well put them on a hockey team where they have a ref.Kathleen Rogannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-70964547686110975942010-01-25T12:10:33.002-08:002010-01-25T12:10:33.002-08:00"What would you do to breathe some life into ..."What would you do to breathe some life into Manor, Palmetto, Linda Mar, Park Pacifica, and Eureka?"<br /><br />For Park Pacifica,Palmetto and Manor, flatten them and start over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-72210124774978745702010-01-25T11:56:02.225-08:002010-01-25T11:56:02.225-08:00I've got nothing against trying a movie theate...I've got nothing against trying a movie theater, but whatever did happen to the one we had? If I were going to put one in, or even an ice rink, I'd be interested in going in at the Sea Bowl location. An entertainment complex, if you will. Expand concessions currently there to serve the ice rink.<br /><br />But I wonder about the future of movie theaters now that so many homes have NetFlix and 52" flat screens with full surround sound THX ultrawonderdolby.<br /><br />To Bark Nuggets, hey, the Hawaiian BBQ has some of the friendliest staff I've been served by in Pacifica. Sure, it's a chain, but it's inexpensive, filling, and friendly. <br /><br />There's a lot to be said for the small local-serving businesses. There's no reason they can't serve beachgoers, too.<br /><br />I agree, though, in general, that much of Pacifica's retail space is woefully underutilized.<br /><br />What would you do to breathe some life into Manor, Palmetto, Linda Mar, Park Pacifica, and Eureka?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-16691475112595356562010-01-25T11:05:59.846-08:002010-01-25T11:05:59.846-08:00We only have one chance at developing some of thes...We only have one chance at developing some of these properties (like the quarry) and I don't trust Pacifica not to screw it up.<br /><br />Take a long, hard look at our business centers and you'll see -- quite clearly -- that Pacifica doesn't make proper use of EXISTING business space. <br /><br />MANOR ought to be a nice and vibrant place to hang out, but with that mess of a freeway overpace, it's dangerous and intimidating to pedestrians. Great shops like Mazetti's, Camelot, Green Enchilada are lost among the Kragen's, 7-Eleven's, smoke shops, liquor stores and thugs that hang out at Pyramid. There's no character or charm.<br /><br />PALMETO, which ought to be a prime main street ala Half Moon Bay's is populated with transmission shops, self-storage, wrecking yards and an idle water treatment plant -- all on a bluff overlooking the ocean! Prime real estate and it's being used for stuff like self-storage. What a travesty! Florey's, the Rusty Hook, and the antique stores are a start, but the rest drag the area down. Don't get me started on the thugs that hang out at the tattoo parlor. Ugh. Again, no charm or character.<br /><br />LINDA MAR is busy, but at what cost? I love the smoke shop and check cashing store -- they're really classy. Round Table, McDonalds, TWO Starbucks (!), Payless Shoes, Hallmark, GameStop,Denny's, Safeway, Rite-Aid, L&L Hawaiian BBQ, Quiznos... it's a soul-less collection of bland, lame, franchises. I guess they bring in a comforting level of tax revenue, but do you think a collection of chain stores will bring people in from outside the area?<br /><br />Don't get me started on Park Pacifica or Eureka.<br /><br />So... I ask you. Given the state of our current business districts, why do you think Pacifica could do a project like quarry development "right?" Additionally, why doesn't Pacifica address the state of business as it exists currently?Bark Nuggetsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-29536505052240271712010-01-25T10:42:13.694-08:002010-01-25T10:42:13.694-08:00I think you are both wrong, sinai & anon, on t...I think you are both wrong, sinai & anon, on the ice rink & movie house. I will argue my case.<br /><br />In the great (r)ecession of the 70's theater's did booming business. Even when Tanforan built their new theater Seavue still did well.<br /> <br />I lived in both SF and Pacifica during the 70's. Seavue had midnight shows, young people waited in lines for a good hour before showtime. Lots of fun. I also worked at Gaston's ice cream store as a teenager on sac st&presidio across the street from the vouge theater. Every night there was a very long line to get in, and they showed old movies. When the movie was over, majority would come in for ice cream. We were packed every night serving ice cream in the rain or sleet. The Gaston's lived in HMB. Wonderful family to work for , they made their ice cream on the premises. They can vouch for me the kind of business the small neighborhood theater would get.<br /><br />An ice rink would bring in young from south of the slide. None of those younger people and families come to pacifica, they go to san jose direction for entertainment, nothing here in p-town for them. When I was a teenager they came to p-town for the theater and football games. When oceana and terranova played against each other it was a huge event. HMB has grown in population since then, and a rink/theater attraction would bring in lots of young families from the south. We are losing population in pacifica , while south of us has gained over the decades. They have nothing like a movie house or ice rink. Nothing. And, they are higher earners over there.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I don't like the idea of outlets , but am willing to compromise to show a commitment to progress. I would not "out" any idea, especially if a survey has not been done.Kathleen Rogannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-1886093646880447992010-01-25T09:48:38.805-08:002010-01-25T09:48:38.805-08:00Going on record about the golf course was in respo...Going on record about the golf course was in response to Kathy's incorrect assumption about my stance on it. It's a good thing Pacifica has (even though it's owned by SF, hopefully its ownership will come closer to home through all this) that benefits a lot of local people as well as golfers of all ages who come and spend their money in Pacifica.<br /><br />As to the questions, apparently we approach business a little differently. That's fine. For me, I'm analytical about these things. When I consider a business opportunity, I think through fundamental elements, and sketch out a business plan to test viability. Asking all these questions is part of testing it to see whether it's viable. Being well informed is a good thing, especially if someone's going to get out there and encourage developers to come and make it a reality. For example, similar efforts to bring a Trader Joe's to Half Moon Bay eventually resulted in New Leaf coming in. Half Moon Bay residents learned what grocers were interested in, gathered up loads of support, and went and talked some ears off. They wanted Trader Joe's and got a New Leaf. Not exactly what they were after, but a huge step up from a vacant Albertsons, and really good for shoppers and tax payers.<br /><br />We're all thinking out loud, right? If an outlet mall will work here, at least some of those questions above are going to have good answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-87994242962644751272010-01-25T02:49:35.472-08:002010-01-25T02:49:35.472-08:00Anonymous, going on the record as "Anonymous&...Anonymous, going on the record as "Anonymous" when it comes to supporting the golf course doesn't really mean much.<br /><br />As I've said before regarding the outlet mall, I'm thinking of the Premium Outlet Mall-type of place that they have in Gilroy, Petaluma and Vacaville, which tend to contain brand-name outlet stores. I'm not talking about individual stores. Questions about sales per square foot and how much critical mass is needed are irrelevant at this point. As others have observed, by endlessly asking them, you look to be trying to drag the conversation on forever with no other purpose than to demonstrate the all-to-prevalent "can't do" attitude that infects Pacifica.<br /><br />For me, the issues are "How much would it cost to buy or lease the Quarry?" and "how easy is the access?" I'm not in the real estate or shopping mall-development business, but Peebles always said he got the land for a steal so he doesn't need to sell the land for a high price to make a profit. Also, the expected fight any developer is going to have when it comes to building in the Quarry would also keep the price low.<br /><br />As for access, Pacifica is a hell of a lot closer than Gilroy, Petaluma or Vacaville to the residents of San Francisco and San Mateo County. A new access into and out of the north end of the Quarry would be required, but I don't see that as a big impediment.<br /><br />There's no way a theater would work in Pacifica. As for a skating rink, whoever tries to operate it better be a master marketer. I don't see much of a demand for ice rinks around here.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-50279767634210653992010-01-25T00:04:21.628-08:002010-01-25T00:04:21.628-08:00Cupertino, Foster City, Peninsula, Moscone, there&...Cupertino, Foster City, Peninsula, Moscone, there's hockey at all of them. I was at the ice rink at Union Square recently. Yes, it was crowded. But it was also clearly a seasonal attraction. There might be enough demand for a local hockey rink. I just don't see a business model that makes it work. Doesn't mean I'm right, just that I don't see it.<br /><br />Movie theater, if there was real business opportunity in Pacifica, wouldn't the chains on the Peninsula have done something about it? Has anyone called the Syufy folks, or any of the other theater owners? The Syufy owners owned a whole lot of land, 4200 acres, and sold it. Again, I'm just guessing based on seeing where they've built theaters. Prove me wrong. Seriously. If I'm wrong, and they're interested, I'll admit I'm wrong. That'd be great. I think a whole lot of people would love to have a theater in Pacifica. So who's going to call them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-69169346045177236882010-01-24T23:55:09.111-08:002010-01-24T23:55:09.111-08:00For the record, I support the continued operation ...For the record, I support the continued operation of the Sharp Park golf course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-55272960008909523242010-01-24T23:35:51.049-08:002010-01-24T23:35:51.049-08:00I am a mother of a large family. We have driven ve...I am a mother of a large family. We have driven very far to the outlet stores in the past. Vacaville is booming right now. <br /><br />California lost thirty eight thousand jobs last month. <br /><br />Mayor Newsom was able to nab millions from Pelosi to clean up the old navy shipyard in hunters point. That whole area is going to create jobs. People will need to move in the area and in Pacifica. After they are done cleaning up, they are re-developing the ship yard. Low-income housing, retail stores, african food, park, swimming pools, and a new football stadium, with a African American theme. This is pretty much a done deal. They have their developer. This will create soo many jobs. We need to get on this bandwagon. I signed up for some employment opportunities. San Francisco is going to be a booming town again. We can profit from this. I am telling you an Ice Skating Rink will be a huge attraction. I know this for a fact.<br /><br />Some people in this town are anti-sports and in the city. Get over it, our sports are not going away. Trails and bird watching are not a booming business that creates jobs. It's a free activity. I bird watch myself. But, I wish I could ice skate and go to a movie more often.Kathleen Rogannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-86135666331343363442010-01-24T23:12:25.935-08:002010-01-24T23:12:25.935-08:00I disagree with anon about the ice rink. Peninsula...I disagree with anon about the ice rink. Peninsula is so old. Cupertino? who goes there? I think anon is soo completely wrong on the ice rink. Whenever a rink opens up in the city at Christmas time it is so busy, you wait for ever. Very popular activity when it comes around. Many, many kids in Pacifica play hockey and they drive very far to do it. <br /><br />Outlet stores? I have a kid who works in one and they do good business. Serramonte has many clothing retailers that could be considered outlet type prices. Forever 21, sells shirts for $3.99. <br /><br />The economy is predicted to get worse. Families will soon have to choose, cable will shut off - no tv. Families and young, old, single can go to the movies cheaper. And, most people in Pacifica won't have a way to get over the hill and out of here. So, shopping for essentials in town will be very important. <br /><br />Ice skating and playing a little hockey will also be a better price tag than a monthly cable bill or cell phone bill. People will be looking for ways to entertain themselves and to get out of the house. It is cold here most of the year, people like to be inside.<br /><br />We could surround the ice rink with some retail outlets, shoes, clothes, underwear, accessories, and a good theater, a nice walking/bike trail all the way to our newly remodeled golf course. <br /><br />It's worth a try.Kathleen Rogannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-41296204463762612842010-01-24T22:56:42.318-08:002010-01-24T22:56:42.318-08:00Anonymous, you are a total waste of time, as are y...Anonymous, you are a total waste of time, as are your links to nowhere about nothing. Your stated city economic objective is do nothing, and rid this city of access to SP Golf Course by turning it into a dirt pile. <br /><br />Okay that's your plan, congratulations! Your plan is probably in agreement with the vision of most city council members.<br /><br />Your circular questions, however, have no sincerity, are hypothetical outside the range of this consideration, are completely meaningless, intended to bate the responder and confuse the issue.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-35508862968311657232010-01-24T21:44:59.540-08:002010-01-24T21:44:59.540-08:00So let's talk outlet stores. Which ones do yo...So let's talk outlet stores. Which ones do you have in mind? How many square feet will they need? How much will they pay per square foot? How many visitors will they need per day? What kind of sales per square foot would they need? How many stores would be needed to create a critical mass? How much acreage would that require? Are those within the realm of what Pacifica could do?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.hoovers.com/clothing-stores/--ID__182--/free-ind-fr-profile-basic.xhtml" rel="nofollow">Hoover's on clothing retail</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.primeretail.com/PrimeRetail/files/92/92769b57-e8f2-417a-997d-0351500d8f4e.pdf" rel="nofollow">Outlet Centers Rise to the Top During Recession</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-54989990050850406662010-01-24T21:36:54.984-08:002010-01-24T21:36:54.984-08:00Kathy, do you have a response to any of the points...Kathy, do you have a response to any of the points above?<br /><br />You know in your heart that a major developer is needed. You saying so doesn't really persuade. I've been listening and asking questions, and now you just blow off some thoughts with an angry accusation. Is that how you want the city run? Get angry and blow past people who are discussing what you wanted to discuss? How is that helpful?<br /><br />You want a financial savior for the city. Fine. Until you get one, what are you going to do to help the city along? Fire the city council, and then go on bended knee to Mr. Peebles or someone like him? That's one way to go, and power to you.<br /><br />In the meantime, the city continues. Are you will to cut more services and/or pay more taxes?<br /><br />What are you going to do <i>now</i>, <i>this</i> year?<br /><br />You don't want to drive more business to our local businesses? Seriously? That's not even worth trying?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com