tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post307732613726876273..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Proposed Quarry development, let the NIMBY games begin Fix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-89929490015604677812016-08-27T14:12:16.223-07:002016-08-27T14:12:16.223-07:00Todd, that you're reduced to arguing your poin...Todd, that you're reduced to arguing your point based on a meaningless phrase only confirms that your claims have no basis.<br /><br />I'm sure there's a legal definition of multi-family unit. I'm not a lawyer so I won't declare for sure what that definition is, but as best I can tell, my above explanation does define it.<br /><br />Also, it was the city attorney who wrote the ballot language, not the developer. Are you saying the city attorney is part of a conspiracy to hoodwink voters? Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-6983060534469197492016-08-27T12:49:39.330-07:002016-08-27T12:49:39.330-07:00Steve, "It looks like" isn't an answ...Steve, "It looks like" isn't an answer and again furthers the argument against the ballots wording of 206 multi family units. It looks like chum in the water for the developers attorneys to sue for at least 618 units. This is my point, the wording is intentionaly vague, on purpose, to allow the developer a window into court for a much higher density. <br /><br />And it doesn't matter if this developer or the next starts the planning process. We wont be able to vote again on the issue and the vagueness of the ballot language allows the interpretation of what a multi family unit is. todd brayhttp://fixpacifica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-11017839108406671372016-08-27T12:05:01.302-07:002016-08-27T12:05:01.302-07:00Upon further research, it looks like the term, &qu...Upon further research, it looks like the term, "multi-family unit" means one housing unit, such as an apartment or condo, inside of a multi-family building. It doesn't mean each unit houses multiple-families.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.economy.com/support/blog/buffet.aspx?did=8015A9FA-79EF-4EE6-BF79-C84EC932B331" rel="nofollow">https://www.economy.com/support/blog/buffet.aspx?did=8015A9FA-79EF-4EE6-BF79-C84EC932B331</a>Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-16989891818202828402016-08-27T11:32:07.339-07:002016-08-27T11:32:07.339-07:00Toddster, if the legal definition multi-family uni...Toddster, if the legal definition multi-family unit is similar to what wikipedia had posted, there is no issue with semantics. You can have have many multi-family units in a single building.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-64990722175269250472016-08-26T23:25:12.237-07:002016-08-26T23:25:12.237-07:00So Steve, you are saying it's semantics? 206 u...So Steve, you are saying it's semantics? 206 units versus 618? That will be a fun rewarding argument for the developers attorneys to make. Imagine the reward for winning 618 units in court versus a mere 206 units. Semantics are the things lawyers live for. You comment while heart felt I'm sure just reinforces the vagueness of the ballot language: Is it 206 or a variable like 618? todd brayhttp://fixpacifica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-16831351120967876742016-08-26T20:44:08.224-07:002016-08-26T20:44:08.224-07:00From wikipedia - "Multifamily residential (al...From wikipedia - "Multifamily residential (also known as multidwelling unit or MDU) is a classification of housing where multiple separate housing units for residential inhabitants are contained within one building or several buildings within one complex. A common form is an apartment building."Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-54703971264751779202016-08-26T16:14:56.158-07:002016-08-26T16:14:56.158-07:00206 "multi family units" are not 206 res...206 "multi family units" are not 206 residences.<br />Multi family means 3 or more families per unit - or over 600<br /><br /><br />Is that not correct?Julie Renoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-9767723556704464962016-08-26T15:53:22.151-07:002016-08-26T15:53:22.151-07:00Todd Bray signs his name to his statements. For th...Todd Bray signs his name to his statements. For that, on a scale of 1-10, he gets all 10 points.<br />Agree with him or not, identity credit is his. <br /><br />Wish those who hide under Anonymous would learn from Todd-- step-up, and post with you own identity.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment, Steve 226. And THANKS TODD!Kathy Meeh (credit to Todd)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-31674172752969288802016-08-26T15:49:03.956-07:002016-08-26T15:49:03.956-07:00Yes, I imagine City Council would have to approve ...Yes, I imagine City Council would have to approve it.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-22596171069520981282016-08-26T15:44:25.278-07:002016-08-26T15:44:25.278-07:00It would be illegal for city staff to reach a bind...It would be illegal for city staff to reach a binding agreement with the developer. The agreement would have to be approved by the city council. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-34820560504426343152016-08-26T14:26:56.571-07:002016-08-26T14:26:56.571-07:00Oh, you do get points for using your name. Thanks....Oh, you do get points for using your name. Thanks.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-32489643268553961762016-08-26T14:26:13.200-07:002016-08-26T14:26:13.200-07:00Todd, I agree that there is currently no deal betw...Todd, I agree that there is currently no deal between the city and developer. I never said there was. What I am saying is the developer can come up with a signed agreement with the city that says he'll build the hotel and retail either before or concurrently with the residential. Peebles had something that guaranteed he'd build the hotel, retail and housing, although I can't remember if it was part of the initiative or if it was a separate agreement.<br /><br />I'm afraid you're not in a position to criticize the developer for attempting to confuse, mislead and misinform the public. You're the one trying to convince people that Huele is going to build over 600 apartments in the quarry.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-75549478959326121292016-08-26T09:59:53.503-07:002016-08-26T09:59:53.503-07:00Steve, I'll put my name behind a rebuttal of y...Steve, I'll put my name behind a rebuttal of your comment (I am not Rantanon @ 7:55 AM). So here goes: There is no binding deal, the developer purposely misled us by saying he had one with the city to make his Measure Dubya (W) look like something more than just a vote to allow housing in the Quarry. Lets not loose sight of the continuing deceptions of this development team to confuse, mislead and misinform us all, including you, Steve. todd brayhttp://fixpacifica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-91041367182863340212016-08-26T09:48:47.605-07:002016-08-26T09:48:47.605-07:00"It would be illegal for the city to have a b..."It would be illegal for the city to have a binding commitment with the developer about any aspect of the development."<br /><br />That's not correct. If the developer wants to assure voters that he'll build the hotel and retail either before or concurrently with the housing, he can sign an agreement with the city guaranteeing that.<br /><br />Interesting that you won't put your name behind your statement.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-84138113781458945092016-08-26T07:55:23.268-07:002016-08-26T07:55:23.268-07:00It would be illegal for the city to have a binding...It would be illegal for the city to have a binding commitment with the developer about any aspect of the development. That's why the city manager said, "We want to ensure that the City's position related to the Quarry is a neutral one" and that "we have no legally binding commitment."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-27296654751298227622016-08-26T06:20:07.925-07:002016-08-26T06:20:07.925-07:00I don't know how the city can be held legally ...I don't know how the city can be held legally responsible for something the developer says. <br /><br />There's nothing illegal about Huele having discussions with the city about committing to build a hotel. In fact, I think he needs to do just that, and put that commitment in writing.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-4972629460058948122016-08-25T22:11:39.904-07:002016-08-25T22:11:39.904-07:00Heule's press release made it sound like he ha...Heule's press release made it sound like he had discussions with city staff and that he had some agreement with the city about a commitment to build the hotel. That would be illegal. That's why the city rushed to say that there was no binding commitment made to the city about construction of the hotel. The key word is "binding." The city can't accept any binding agreement without review and approval by the city council, and without going through planning review and EIR process. That's why the city manager is quoted in the press release as saying, "We have no legally binding commitment ... " She had to get that out there right away. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-17910703268443253602016-08-25T16:43:48.329-07:002016-08-25T16:43:48.329-07:00It can't now as they basically called Heule a ...It can't now as they basically called Heule a liar in their own press release. Heule's release implied that city officials were collaborating with him on his ballot measure which apparently is a no-no. The city denied it. So now no one has to sue anybody. <br /><br />The semantic difference is the difference between a "Firm" commitment and a "Binding" Commitment if you read the two releases. Lawyers buy summer homes by arguing semantics like that. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12857598610607176218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-45628994861090905732016-08-25T14:32:50.097-07:002016-08-25T14:32:50.097-07:00How could the city be sued for Huele's press r...How could the city be sued for Huele's press release?Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-82055043754416359782016-08-25T14:24:45.381-07:002016-08-25T14:24:45.381-07:00Or a journalist actually did their job and contact...Or a journalist actually did their job and contacted the City for comment.<br /><br />As one does.Julie Renoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-33545486994183528222016-08-25T08:55:21.992-07:002016-08-25T08:55:21.992-07:00I bet that when City Attorney saw Heule's pres...I bet that when City Attorney saw Heule's press release, immediately realized the city could be sued for breaking the law and quickly wrote the city's press release.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-44927089974556804122016-08-25T06:05:58.283-07:002016-08-25T06:05:58.283-07:00"Want to bet the City
Press Release resulted
..."Want to bet the City<br />Press Release resulted<br />from NIMBY complaints about<br />the developer's comment?"<br /><br />it should have remained hidden?<br /><br /><br />Assorted villains: ...and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.<br /><br />Julie Renoreply@blogger.com