tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post2831568946864821458..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Two SWAT team members cleared of criminal charges in Errol Chang shootingFix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-2714863161781540462014-06-06T17:08:57.423-07:002014-06-06T17:08:57.423-07:00Oy veyOy veyHutchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-83793569943916400922014-06-06T15:09:03.855-07:002014-06-06T15:09:03.855-07:00Mazel Tov!Mazel Tov!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-72571572869261950982014-06-06T12:46:56.975-07:002014-06-06T12:46:56.975-07:0011:00
I must have stuck a nerve.
ouch11:00<br /><br />I must have stuck a nerve.<br /><br />ouchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-22100102289319947612014-06-06T11:00:40.392-07:002014-06-06T11:00:40.392-07:00Hey anon June 4, 2014 at 12:36 PM - Why do you fee...Hey anon June 4, 2014 at 12:36 PM - Why do you feel it necessary to bring in a totally unrelated issue? And while you're at it why not mention the hundreds of thousands who have been killed in the last two years only a few miles from the "Zionist Entity" in Syria? And why no mention of North Korea, Iran, the fact that homosexuals are killed everywhere else in the Middle East, the attacks on Christians, women, religious minorities or just about anyone who isn't a Palestinian? <br /><br />I'll tell you reason why - you're a despicable anti-Semite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-40148656160986837972014-06-04T19:06:09.644-07:002014-06-04T19:06:09.644-07:00438 Sorry, I just can't take you seriously.438 Sorry, I just can't take you seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-80347061070519328012014-06-04T16:38:51.428-07:002014-06-04T16:38:51.428-07:00Yes 401 you are right and the father, cops, invest...Yes 401 you are right and the father, cops, investigators and DA are all wrong. Mentally ill people are always harmless and defenceless and never pose a threat to anyone. The cops should have ignored Errol's father, the fact there was a gun in the house and just gone home. Oh all knowing anonymi you are so wise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-21196920080368862982014-06-04T16:01:46.144-07:002014-06-04T16:01:46.144-07:00238 Taking on SWAT with a knife--That's your i...238 Taking on SWAT with a knife--That's your idea of a sound decision. Really? The mentally ill are by legal definition unable to make sound decisions. As for the rest, you do tend to make it up as you go grinding along. Utter waste of time.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-90516115797179599912014-06-04T15:36:02.590-07:002014-06-04T15:36:02.590-07:00Do any of you who are criticizing cops have any ex...Do any of you who are criticizing cops have any expertise, training or experience with police work? <br /><br />The father says police did right<br /><br />DA says they did right<br /><br />What makes you know more than them?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-62122934390585160572014-06-04T14:50:20.636-07:002014-06-04T14:50:20.636-07:00@1128 Sure looks like they chose the worst possibl...@1128 Sure looks like they chose the worst possible course of action and for pretty thin reasons. SWAT acted in a way guaranteed to provoke the most extreme paranoia in Errol and then killed him when he reacted. Is there any acceptable reason for such reckless disregard for a human being?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-68829897439157180662014-06-04T14:38:17.601-07:002014-06-04T14:38:17.601-07:00208, Yes you're right he was mentally ill. But...208, Yes you're right he was mentally ill. But you're wrong in assuming he could not make sound decisions in efficiently attacking stabbing and almost killing an officer. Having a mental illness does not preclude him from being deadly, which he almost was. Just look at the many mass killings lately by mentally ill persons.<br /><br />SWAT chose to enter the house because there was a gun and ammo hidden in the small house and if given enough time he may have found it. Then things could have been much worse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-32250811951526692032014-06-04T14:08:46.257-07:002014-06-04T14:08:46.257-07:00Errol Chang did not have to die. He was mentally i...Errol Chang did not have to die. He was mentally ill and incapable of sound decisions about anything. Start with that fact and don't brush it aside when convenient. The DA's report clearly says SWAT chose to enter the house before nightfall to protect the officers. It doesn't mention protecting Errol or the community with this decision. They chose to escalate a situation with a paranoid schizophrenic by launching an assault on his home. Brilliant. The outcome could not have been a surprise. Why escalate?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-43674119982804063902014-06-04T12:39:19.955-07:002014-06-04T12:39:19.955-07:00Errol's own father said he was afraid Errol wo...Errol's own father said he was afraid Errol would kill him in his sleep. He knew police would probably kill Errol but he said he had no choice but to call them. The father didn't blame police. I don't see how we can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-16904032445118969732014-06-04T12:36:54.012-07:002014-06-04T12:36:54.012-07:00Palestinians are brutally killed daily and no one ...Palestinians are brutally killed daily and no one seems to care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-49074003877998697912014-06-04T12:05:34.413-07:002014-06-04T12:05:34.413-07:00I think and believe that our Peace Officers did an...I think and believe that our Peace Officers did an excellent job.<br /><br />Thank you to all of our Peace Officers who rise above all the chatter and discourse and remain.<br /><br />God Bless You.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-44019577813312108892014-06-04T11:28:41.278-07:002014-06-04T11:28:41.278-07:00After reading the DA's report I am of the opin...After reading the DA's report I am of the opinion that the police chose the wrong course of action or acted incompetently at each and every decision point, until the outcome (attempted stabbing and then shooting to kill) was an inevitability. <br /><br />It is unreasonable (and therefore inexcusable) to expect a mentally deranged person to respond to the orders (legal or not) of total strangers with weapons in an atmosphere of escalating tensions. The only safe course of action was to secure the area, move away as to not further agitate the person and wait until he was too tired to resist or surrendered. There was no one else in immediate peril that required such a response. <br /><br />While the two officers mentioned in the report were cleared, the report does not address the response of the police department as a whole, whether it was able to apply the correct resources, personnel, and tactical response needed to bring this to a safe conclusion. I would love to hear an analysis of this incident by professionals in law enforcement that understand what best practices are. I also do not dismiss the responsibility of the family in contributing to the severity of the outcome by keeping weapons in the home or failing to get more intervention help earlier in his illness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-77841522211210107872014-06-04T10:08:49.363-07:002014-06-04T10:08:49.363-07:00Yes Errol was not only armed with an axe, he had b...Yes Errol was not only armed with an axe, he had brandished it at officers earlier. If they had wanted to shoot him they could of right then. But they didn't and held off for 6 hours. But the fact that he may have access to a gun that he had recently illegally used forced police to end the standoff for the safety of the public. Errol using potentially deadly brass knuckle style knife designed to kill, stabbing the officer in the leg, then arm sealed his fate. It's sad, but I don't blame the police or anyone. Could we learn from this, yes. But sometimes police are going to have to use deadly force. <br /><br />Moral of this story IMO is do not have guns available for a severely mentally challenged person to use. Call police, or a friend and have them hold them. We've seen too many incidents lately involving schizophrenic individuals committing murders because they had access to firearms.Hutchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-28279637480567020802014-06-04T09:42:13.193-07:002014-06-04T09:42:13.193-07:00729, and your reasoning is Pacificans should not c...729, and your reasoning is Pacificans should not care about their brother, family, friends, neighbors, community, because some Veterans were not treated well. Really?<br /><br />Apparently Errol was well liked in spite of the onset of his illness, try google. Here's a little background information on <a href="http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/12/09/schizophrenia-usually-strikes-first-in-young-adults/" rel="nofollow">Schizophrenia,</a> <a href="http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/paranoia-and-paranoid-disorders" rel="nofollow">Paranoia and Paranoid disorders,</a> and <a href="http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-two-types-of-bipolar-disorder/000612" rel="nofollow">Bipolar disorder.</a> <br /><br />Guess you haven't "moving on" either, you're still trying to think about this. Eventually there may be a medical solution to fix what triggers some of these mental disorders; meantime civil agencies (even in Pacifica) need to "move on" to deal with it.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-73803971929727164592014-06-04T07:29:50.053-07:002014-06-04T07:29:50.053-07:00VA Whistleblower says Veterans were killed and neg...VA Whistleblower says Veterans were killed and neglected on purpose. Most health officials were/are not military personal but private citizens who neglected, threatened, abused, beat up US Veterans.<br /><br />My question is, what makes you think Americans, in Pacifica, would care about a nut who fires a gun in his home, stabs a cop, then pretends he is surrendering??? They don't. Movin on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-21494941368355095592014-06-04T06:44:12.871-07:002014-06-04T06:44:12.871-07:00Chang hugged both his parents earlier in the day a...Chang hugged both his parents earlier in the day and said his goodbyes.<br /><br />This tells me he knew.<br /><br />He would get shot and killed that day.<br /><br />Or he knew, he would be locked up in a mental facility for a long time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-67830227040167394892014-06-04T02:22:28.251-07:002014-06-04T02:22:28.251-07:00Kathy, 754 either can't or won't make thos...Kathy, 754 either can't or won't make those distinctions. Probably not the kind of person who would have ever offered Errol Chang that sandwich--which IMHO was someone's brilliant observation on the power of treating people humanely.<br /><br />The DA's report seems to be a model of the old "it's a shitty job, but somebody's got to do it" variety. BTW, CIT is Crisis Intervention Training which some officers undergo. I think the Pacifica officers were the only CIT presence on Pedro Point. Once Mr. Chang was in the house, and DC SWAT rolled up, I don't know what Pacifica's role was. In any event, CIT is not meant to replace the professional mental health expertise so sorely needed that day on Pedro Point. Per the DA's report, the police attempt to get psych help during the six hour siege consisted of nothing more than calling Mr. Chang's shrink and not getting a timely response.<br /> <br />So, here we are early in the 21st Century and the best we can do in Pacifica for a paranoid schizophrenic in acute crisis is to completely fulfill his paranoid delusions that people are out to get him by using a military style police approach, flash bang grenades, and a final confrontation ordered by, according to the DA's report, a "command decision" at 630pm. They knew he was probably still armed with something--he had been armed with a hatchet six hours earlier. Once SWAT entered that house there could be only one outcome. Errol Chang was killed by ignorance. Time will tell how much an education will cost us and not just in terms of money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-83481691076042347682014-06-03T22:02:58.435-07:002014-06-03T22:02:58.435-07:00754, suddenly you have appeared with the facts we&...754, suddenly you have appeared with the facts we've been waiting for 'ol great one. Who is <a href="http://www.abbreviations.com/CIT" rel="nofollow">CIT?</a> You're speaking in acronyms.<br /><br />Errol was armed? Technically correct. But, are you really equating an agitated paranoid-schizophrenic in a psychotic state with a knife to a professional SWAT team with guns. Does that comparison make you feel better? <br /><br />Weeks ago, an Anonymous made an astute comment that had police offered Errol a sandwich (calm and nice), the outcome to contain him might have been better. Something is wrong when the alternative to live containment is death. Mentally-ill people exist and sometimes get seriously out of control. If there are not better ways of dealing with such a crisis, there should be. Another Anonymous mentioned we dart and net animals, what about humans? <br /><br />Circumstances have variables and commonalities. Training for predictable, safer outcomes is better than oops, or completing a "justifiable shoot" report.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-3743746039942558862014-06-03T19:54:41.708-07:002014-06-03T19:54:41.708-07:00Kathy Meeh, I know you are just winging it as far ...Kathy Meeh, I know you are just winging it as far as facts go, but CIT was called on 3/18/14 and were there for hours.<br /><br />The circumstances were very different at the Arguello event. That person was unarmed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-8532238191818056542014-06-03T07:26:40.599-07:002014-06-03T07:26:40.599-07:00As someone who's grown up with a brother with ...As someone who's grown up with a brother with bipolar disorder, there is a great resource for all families, http://www.nami.org/. They are a national organization that can provide support for those who are mentally ill, their families and others. What happened was a horrible tragedy. I urge all to have compassion for both the family that has lost their son & brother and compassion for the police who weren't properly trained. But, look at what has just recently happened with mentally ill men that had access to guns lately. We need to take action as a community, support the families of the mentally ill and help them find the resources to support their child and get our first responders trained to deal with mentally ill people who have decided to go off their meds. It would be the right thing to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-48773625793426244162014-06-02T17:42:09.591-07:002014-06-02T17:42:09.591-07:00437, 524, 537, okay, multitasking, my 420 bad. Not...437, 524, 537, okay, multitasking, my 420 bad. Not <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Arguello+Boulevard&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb" rel="nofollow">Arguello Blvd, San Francisco, </a> but <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Arguello+Boulevard%2C+Pacifica%2C+CA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb" rel="nofollow">Arguello Blvd, Pacifica.</a> <br /><br />Unbelievable, Pacifica police do know how to dial the "Crisis Intervention Team"! Apparently they just didn't do it 3/18/14.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-86692211133391311962014-06-02T17:37:02.862-07:002014-06-02T17:37:02.862-07:00Kathy, Agree with you 100%, but for the record, 12...Kathy, Agree with you 100%, but for the record, 1243 was referring to an incident on Arguello here in Pacifica. We can draw some interesting conclusions on how the PPD chose to handle that event following the Pedro Point debacle. Foremost among them, the man on Arguello was treated with intelligence and compassion as a person with mental problems rather than as an armed enemy combatant. There may be hope for the Protect and Serve approach to law enforcement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com