tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post2806495257435347542..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: California 2012-13 budget item will be removedFix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-22522945157910029902012-07-18T12:45:16.482-07:002012-07-18T12:45:16.482-07:00THREE ATTORNEYS!!!! Well, there's your proble...THREE ATTORNEYS!!!! Well, there's your problem. They knew exactly what they were doing and how very little trouble they'd be in. Risk<br />was slight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-79444764851839711582012-07-18T12:34:40.731-07:002012-07-18T12:34:40.731-07:00It isn't going to stick to any of them. Nobody...It isn't going to stick to any of them. Nobody outside of Fix cares about this. Watergate it wasn't. The DA was publicly invited in, yawned, said to self-remedy, fini. Around county offices "effin' Pacifica clowns" has been a commonly used term for years. That and Pathetica.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-73180517491486210672012-07-18T08:02:37.356-07:002012-07-18T08:02:37.356-07:00We have three attorneys on the Planning Commission...We have three attorneys on the Planning Commission. That's THREE ATTORNEYS! They should be aware of what constitutes a Brown Act violation on two fronts, they are attorneys, and two, they are on the Planning Commission. It took a contractor to bring up the concerns about Brown Act violations. Unfortunately, he continued on and violated them anyway. Clifford is a nice guys but I would question his choice that meeting. And Campbell doesn't seem to think that violating law is that big a deal. I wonder if he takes that stance in his role as a Federal Attorney? I wouldn't vote for any of the planning commissioners solely on their facilitation of an unprecedented admonishment by the DA over the Brown Act violation. Never before in Pacifica history has the DA found it necessary to step in.Melvinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-21338888560697688592012-07-17T16:48:15.783-07:002012-07-17T16:48:15.783-07:00re Brown act we really don't get the agendas t...re Brown act we really don't get the agendas that much earlier than before. Maybe a day or two tops. Always less than a weeks time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-92171189855242275052012-07-17T16:27:42.213-07:002012-07-17T16:27:42.213-07:00Kathy re your 141, just to be clear, whether in fa...Kathy re your 141, just to be clear, whether in fact mandated reimbursements were made or not made, there was a legal posting and closed session reporting requirement in place that now is not. It wasn't that long ago that council agendas were being published on the Thursday or Friday right before the meeting. Timing has improved and I'd like to think we won't backslide. However, it's the loophole regarding the reporting to the public of actions taken in closed session that is more worrisome. There are just too many stressed out, gun shy public servants all over California and more on the way. Don't need any new loopholes. Just saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-85790122816609572752012-07-17T15:58:32.819-07:002012-07-17T15:58:32.819-07:00Oh how I love Monday morning quarterbacks like ano...Oh how I love Monday morning quarterbacks like anon@221 safely on the sidelines announcing "He ain't no hero". Of course you would have stifled your colleagues or marched alone off the dais. All based on a wishy-washy answer from a too timid/too new staff member (the real fail in the thing)that everyone else clearly ignored. All in real time as the thing was actually happening. Yeah, sure you would.<br />I have no problem with the way Mr. Clifford handled himself on this one. Wouldn't vote for Campbell because I don't like the way he votes. IMO the Brown Act stuff won't hurt him a bit in the election. It won't stick to him because he wasn't there and the voters troubled by this non-issue weren't going to vote for him anyway. Campbell's enviro support will be very focused and organized. Hope the opposition runs just a couple good candidates really well or the guy will get in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-85090751722313877242012-07-17T14:21:51.709-07:002012-07-17T14:21:51.709-07:00Planning commiss open gov't violation.
Well, T...Planning commiss open gov't violation.<br />Well, Tom Clifford did ask if the open gov't law was being violated and was told YES by the planning director. Clifford then went ahead and voted and did in fact violate open gov't rules. He ain't no hero.<br />Rich Campbell, EPA region 9 lawyer took it upon himself to heavily criticize the whistleblower.<br />In the next planning commiss mtg all these open gov't violations were unwound as everyone fell all over themselves pledging support for open gov't.<br />If they are so tone deaf on fundamental open gov't, I don't see how anyone can support either for Council. <br />I hope the Tribune and Patch both run a specific candidate question: If the County District Atty finds a commissioner to have violated open gov't law, would you as a Council member support removing that person from the commission?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-85045079316727762092012-07-17T13:41:40.127-07:002012-07-17T13:41:40.127-07:00"No longer a legal obligation?" Anon 104..."No longer a legal obligation?" Anon 1045.<br /><br />I've added further comments to the article. It appears the State will no longer fund required municipal Agenda postings. Hence the line item has been removed from the State budget. The article indicates the State has not funded the line item (for the most part) since 2005-- that's 7 years ago.<br /><br />Anon 1105, I'm genuinely annoyed by your negative comments about Tom Clifford. Tom has offered practical ideas on the Planning Commission. He described a city development vision when he ran for city council. He was the only Commissioner to ask if the Planning Commission had violated the Brown Act when that occurred. He posts informed, helpful information and comments on this blog. He also has the integrity to use his own name.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-22663739928723511692012-07-17T12:13:49.993-07:002012-07-17T12:13:49.993-07:00If they're going to violate the Brown Act that...If they're going to violate the Brown Act that was definitely the way to do it...clumsy, out in the open, no hope of secrecy. Seen, heard, and corrected. I'd worry a lot more about the closed session reporting that is no longer legally required. Tempting for those who think only they know what's best for the public and that's a personality trait found in abundance at city hall. It would be hard to detect. Slippery slope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-84156939968009243612012-07-17T11:05:52.209-07:002012-07-17T11:05:52.209-07:00Will Rich Campbell pledge to support open gov'...Will Rich Campbell pledge to support open gov't with a thorough posting of all council and commission agendas?<br /> Neither Campbell nor Clifford did a very good job of this on planning commission.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-66672379640697906902012-07-17T10:45:04.858-07:002012-07-17T10:45:04.858-07:00No longer a legal obligation? Nice, especially the...No longer a legal obligation? Nice, especially the closed session part. Why stir up the natives/scare the sheep? We'll just do it this once.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com