tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post1405488940763399309..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Seriously, is it time for Vreeland to go?Fix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-29159742008686995262011-04-20T10:53:59.313-07:002011-04-20T10:53:59.313-07:00Lots of voters got behind Stone, thanks.Lots of voters got behind Stone, thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-10279230177330858102011-04-19T07:01:27.280-07:002011-04-19T07:01:27.280-07:00The Earthquake and power outage was Vreeland remin...The Earthquake and power outage was Vreeland reminding you peons who is in charge.<br /><br />He is on the city council and you people are wasting time and money on this "chat room" of a blog.<br /><br />Had this blog been organized and got behind the people running for council Vreeland would be gone.Pacificannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-6586678852502660522011-04-17T18:02:03.962-07:002011-04-17T18:02:03.962-07:00I am so amused...(Anonymous at 5:21 pm)I am so amused...(Anonymous at 5:21 pm)Loishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04561182838150666364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-54815700009926606512011-04-17T17:21:08.982-07:002011-04-17T17:21:08.982-07:00simons showed up for more council meetings than vr...simons showed up for more council meetings than vreelandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-47119443102386354092011-04-17T14:49:50.356-07:002011-04-17T14:49:50.356-07:00Jimmy V went down to City Hall and was sworn in th...Jimmy V went down to City Hall and was sworn in the day after. <br /><br />Hmm so Jimmy V got the boot outdoors I wonder what he did?rumor on the streetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-67157835021528990882011-04-17T12:42:27.919-07:002011-04-17T12:42:27.919-07:00forget Where's Jimmy I want to know where'...forget Where's Jimmy I want to know where's BernieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-45142441718128762262011-04-17T12:21:40.229-07:002011-04-17T12:21:40.229-07:00That would never work here because it might rain.That would never work here because it might rain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-52068637912104082812011-04-17T12:05:22.731-07:002011-04-17T12:05:22.731-07:00hercules is trying to recall several council and o...hercules is trying to recall several council and one of them quit firstAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-42585024769869967462011-04-17T11:58:08.648-07:002011-04-17T11:58:08.648-07:00Nada you so funny. Pathetica's version of a b...Nada you so funny. Pathetica's version of a birther.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-54152242437844925132011-04-17T11:42:28.750-07:002011-04-17T11:42:28.750-07:00I really like that idea from "maybe just mayb...I really like that idea from "maybe just maybe"<br />Also we need to ask Cecilia about their contracts serving as a council member. their "Do & Don't"<br />Also the public never saw him swear in when he got re-elected. So to me he is not legal a council member.<br />So he is nobody "NADA"NADAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-67177489791570267352011-04-17T11:27:17.562-07:002011-04-17T11:27:17.562-07:00If 10 or 20 or 30 people all went to the next coun...If 10 or 20 or 30 people all went to the next council meeting asking where is Jimmy? Maybe just maybe someone might give an answer?maybe just maybenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-89368064670437534942011-04-17T09:07:46.453-07:002011-04-17T09:07:46.453-07:00Doesn't he have to live in this town if he'...Doesn't he have to live in this town if he's on Council? Somebody follow that man if you can find him!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-7838706020464261082011-04-17T08:59:24.252-07:002011-04-17T08:59:24.252-07:00Residents on the Point say that the usual patterns...Residents on the Point say that the usual patterns of his movement in and out of the area are non existant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-77582396670458321092011-04-17T00:14:45.502-07:002011-04-17T00:14:45.502-07:00Anon@6;56, Has he moved from Pacifica?Anon@6;56, Has he moved from Pacifica?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-73863962291044038292011-04-17T00:05:56.978-07:002011-04-17T00:05:56.978-07:00From all of this on Fix and Patch it's clear p...From all of this on Fix and Patch it's clear people are just trying to understand who is making the decision to let this continue and what guideline are they following. Who is granting Vreeland permission to be absent from his duties? Who are they consulting with, if at all? City Clerk marks his absence excused or not excused but dealing with this issue seems well over her pay grade. There's an information blackout going on concerning this but decisions are being made and the public trust damaged and that's a problem. If this is being done out of compassion that's fine but why the secrecy? It just invites suspicion and speculation. And this approach does not appear to be helping Mr. Vreeland to return to the dais.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-20639713410272548692011-04-16T23:13:25.193-07:002011-04-16T23:13:25.193-07:00You mean closed session? If they're talking ab...You mean closed session? If they're talking about anything other than what's on the agenda for the closed session, they're breaking the law. Are you accusing the city council of breaking the law?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-77841956343865107822011-04-16T22:56:05.830-07:002011-04-16T22:56:05.830-07:00"...a growth vs. no growth show down which is..."...a growth vs. no growth show down which is where the last recall derailed." <br /><br />Anon 550, somehow I don't think Rocky, Suzanne or Vi would say that's what happen with the 2003/2004 (?) Recall effort. Mainly I remember the condensed timing, and weather was impossible rain. Then the mail-out for the recall disappeared from the north Post Office docks, across from the Chit Chat cafe. <br /><br />With Bernie's petition for the ballot measure, I think he got about 3600 signatures, about 500 more than was needed because these signatures must be verified as registered voters at county level. <br /><br />I'm pretty sure there are more people in Pacifica that care about money than Frogs. I mean we have had enough (the golf course, the dog park, school austerity, programs, want a museum pay for it yourself, sorry starving Resource people, etc). Hey, but city council majority has a little extra money for another consultant or what might be perceived as a scam. <br /><br />The issue is that this city needs self-sustaining money, not the additional "giant sucking sound" of tax payer money, because "don't you think its nice to pay a little more to live in Pacifica, look at all we have." (comment from former Councilmember Lancelle). Also, Todd, Lionel, "Anon right-wing" and others do make the point the government needs to manage money better.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-29961740686395195192011-04-16T20:47:16.664-07:002011-04-16T20:47:16.664-07:00All the dirty work gets done in Executive Session ...All the dirty work gets done in Executive Session so the we'll never know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-48948571683335227862011-04-16T20:32:52.686-07:002011-04-16T20:32:52.686-07:00Take away the cafeteria cash and see who runs agai...Take away the cafeteria cash and see who runs again? More like see who sticks around to serve the rest of their term. This mysterious permission to be absent is probably coming from council thru Rhodes to the poor city clerk. And just often enough but not everytime so they don't look totally irresponsible. Dust for prints and you'll find Quicks, too. They're going to protect one of their own. The votes probably not even unanimous or maybe some abstentions. I don't see the clerk doing this on her own and Rhodes knows the drill. <br /> Reach out to individual council members with your concerns and outrage, again and again. And don't get personal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-66830094051998889792011-04-16T20:19:45.286-07:002011-04-16T20:19:45.286-07:00Take away the cafeteria check program and see who ...Take away the cafeteria check program and see who runs again. That will show the true nature of any candidate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-4155371609942672602011-04-16T20:13:05.995-07:002011-04-16T20:13:05.995-07:00Hmmm... so there are no rules but someone is givin...Hmmm... so there are no rules but someone is giving permission and thereby setting one hell of a precedent. I smell a lawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-80804816666977955942011-04-16T19:59:05.193-07:002011-04-16T19:59:05.193-07:00Steve I sure don't want him back either and th...Steve I sure don't want him back either and the FabFour is fine for now. I do think the pendulum has swung a bit and a candidate like Leon will have group baggage to explain. But depends on who runs against. He'd likely beat anyone who ran last time. Important that when it comes to spending cuts and the budget I don't think Pete will allign with Sue so it won't be a paralyzing 2 to 2 tie. She's still in denial. From the budget meeting it does look like Pete and Sue will align to hang onto that nifty extra check they get for cafeteria cash even as city employees lose the only check they get. Shameful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-32729440500197996602011-04-16T19:55:02.246-07:002011-04-16T19:55:02.246-07:00Thanks MarkThanks MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-86329431784079746642011-04-16T19:45:24.633-07:002011-04-16T19:45:24.633-07:00council vacancy
covered under calif govt code 365...council vacancy<br /><br />covered under calif govt code 36513. 36513 is the all regular meetings missed in 60 days rule.<br /><br />http://law.onecle.com/california/government/36513.html<br /><br />The key point here is "permission". If permission to miss is given, the clock is re-set. Most cities have a council procedures and ethics manual that defines conditions under which permission to be absent is given. <br /><br />I don't recall Pacifica has one. So no apparent rules. Therefore medical reasons (or any reason apparently) is no excuse to miss a meeting.<br /><br />As I recall, some Calif councils have a more stringent rule than 36513--miss even a couple council meetings or assigned committee meetings and you get into trouble. Again, Pacifica apparently has no performance/attendance rules for members.<br /><br />govt code 36512 spells out some of the deadlines for appointment or election of a replacement when a vacancy occurs.<br /><br />http://law.onecle.com/california/government/36512.html<br /><br />here's a pretty good analysis that might be a little out of date but not by much:<br /><br />http://www.cacities.org/resource_files/newCybrary/2008/legalresource/26637.Amy%20Albano%20-%20Filing%20Council%20Seat%20Vacancies.pdf<br /><br />I will also add that in the absence of council procedures, a no-show council member can draw salary and benefits. Bad form, but no rule prohibits it.mark stechbartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-75418052583084897332011-04-16T19:37:22.150-07:002011-04-16T19:37:22.150-07:00Gabrielle Giffords can't serve. Kick her out o...Gabrielle Giffords can't serve. Kick her out of Congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com