tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post8525455784969107371..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: "Dream Act" signed into California legislation, effective January, 2013Fix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-75585318828245957972011-10-20T19:48:51.744-07:002011-10-20T19:48:51.744-07:00well I hate it, messing with the iconswell I hate it, messing with the iconsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-34791429545778577182011-10-20T18:19:51.603-07:002011-10-20T18:19:51.603-07:00Now that's hate speech.Now that's hate speech.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-74711843616804021052011-10-20T17:06:04.042-07:002011-10-20T17:06:04.042-07:00Is it just me or does Sinai resemble chicken littl...Is it just me or does Sinai resemble chicken little and Bray resemble foghorn leghorn??fix pacificanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-68947528396017536612011-10-20T12:04:43.925-07:002011-10-20T12:04:43.925-07:00Hmm...Sounds more like follow the dream. Bottom l...Hmm...Sounds more like follow the dream. Bottom line, the planning director should have stopped this. Commissions go off reservation all the time and get reined in by city liaison. Give the newbie the benefit of the doubt this time. No way it would have happened with Crabtree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-52110255522096701112011-10-20T07:14:50.557-07:002011-10-20T07:14:50.557-07:00Follow the stream and it leads directly to Digre a...Follow the stream and it leads directly to Digre and Leon. Contrived in private, planned in private, and executed with the compliance of the rest of the commission. They should all resign or the council should fire them.The Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-26070006902004654742011-10-20T06:39:54.857-07:002011-10-20T06:39:54.857-07:00How can it not warp your brain Steve?How can it not warp your brain Steve?todd brayhttp://fixpacifica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-74958438244143830062011-10-19T21:11:04.801-07:002011-10-19T21:11:04.801-07:00Does anyone really believe for a moment that the m...Does anyone really believe for a moment that the more hardcore element on the planning commission didn't know exactly what it was doing? Knew the risk and took it because the consequences were well within their tolerance? And they are probably laughing at all the "oh my god they've violated the Brown Act" uproar--which in some cases is also just game playing. Not all of the 6 present at that meeting but certainly the leadership knew exactly what they were doing. I don't include Mr. Clifford in that because he has an independent streak. Some of us might think he should have left the dais but that's real easy for us anonymice to say, isn't it? Walking off could set a bad precedent in such a group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-11531172730884350092011-10-19T19:03:17.701-07:002011-10-19T19:03:17.701-07:00You ought to see the comments that never get poste...You ought to see the comments that never get posted, Todd.<br /><br />I've always said that low-quality comments go hand-in-hand with anonymity. But it's what people want.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-48756450649606353942011-10-19T16:37:53.368-07:002011-10-19T16:37:53.368-07:00I comment on Mr Clifford because for a short brigh...I comment on Mr Clifford because for a short bright moment he was smarter than everyone else on the planning commission, particularly the lawyers. He recognmized the open government violation; had the violation confirmed. Then he got back into the herd and continued particiapting in the violation for the next 40 minutes.<br />He could of manned up and done something positive, like not voting. But he debated and voted with the rest. I am simply pointing out the very back choices he made when he had every chance to do right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-11698934366091584212011-10-19T15:20:51.855-07:002011-10-19T15:20:51.855-07:00I have a lot more respect for Tom than a gutless, ...I have a lot more respect for Tom than a gutless, anonymous attacker.<br /><br />Steve that's about 98% of the comments on your blogtodd brayhttp://fixpacifica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-51937565494284289142011-10-19T14:56:39.441-07:002011-10-19T14:56:39.441-07:00Why are you picking on Tom Clifford? Because he...Why are you picking on Tom Clifford? Because he's the one Planning Commissioner who engages the public, so he's an easy target?<br /><br />Even though I often disagree with him, I have a lot more respect for Tom than a gutless, anonymous attacker.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-2790402868637644622011-10-19T13:07:57.915-07:002011-10-19T13:07:57.915-07:00Yes clifford asked the questions. Then he ignored ...Yes clifford asked the questions. Then he ignored the planning director warning about violating open mtg law and continued to discuss non-agendized items and he voted.<br /><br />Yes he could have left the dais. He could have abstained. But he did neither--he continued to engage in the open mtg violation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-64986546221412252612011-10-19T12:02:05.725-07:002011-10-19T12:02:05.725-07:00Cheap shot by anon@602 pm, The only other thing Mr...Cheap shot by anon@602 pm, The only other thing Mr. Clifford could have done is left the dais which seems a bit much to ask of anyone who is expected to function as part of a group whose actions are supposed to be guided by the city staffer. Mr. Clifford asked the right question and got the right answer. That's the moment the planning director should have ended the unagendized discussion about the highway widening. Ended it. He didn't and that's the problem. Welcome to Pathetica, Mr. White. The politics are every bit as challenging as the planning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-41657297872913374342011-10-19T08:58:02.149-07:002011-10-19T08:58:02.149-07:00Right you are Steve (1206), Tom Clifford was the o...Right you are Steve (1206), Tom Clifford was the only Planning Commissioner who asked Director George White if he thought they (the Planning Commission) may be in jeopardy of violating the Brown Act. Director White replied he thought they already had. <br /><br />From there, members of the Planning Commission ignored the directors warning, continued talking about the non-agendized highway widening, and ultimately voted on the same. My recall is that Tom did not participate in the the discussion, beyond his inquiry to Director White. <br /><br />Anon (10/18, 6:02pm) your question may be "fair game", but why not ask it on the related Planning Commission Brown Act violation article?Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-65102209176217401482011-10-19T07:37:24.747-07:002011-10-19T07:37:24.747-07:00A Dream Act=A Nightmare for Tax Payers who have ki...A Dream Act=A Nightmare for Tax Payers who have kids that can't afford to go to college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-31578787719332275312011-10-19T01:19:27.932-07:002011-10-19T01:19:27.932-07:00I regret that I was to ill to attend Monday's ...I regret that I was to ill to attend Monday's Planning Commission meeting.<br /><br />I agree with every action that my fellow Commissioners took at the October 17th meeting an will publicly affirm such at the next Planning Commission meeting.<br /><br />I look forward to attending the Brown Act seminar.Thomas Cliffordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-20316264470382543282011-10-19T00:06:31.404-07:002011-10-19T00:06:31.404-07:00From what I was reading, Tom was the one guy on th...From what I was reading, Tom was the one guy on the planning commission that seemed to care that the Brown Act was being violated.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-63579306096657052642011-10-18T18:02:47.735-07:002011-10-18T18:02:47.735-07:00hey tom, why did you duck planning commission on m...hey tom, why did you duck planning commission on monday?<br /><br />Are you afraid to acknowlege your open government violation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-88645374040934588622011-10-18T14:16:08.171-07:002011-10-18T14:16:08.171-07:00Meeh, it is puff puff pass
not puff puff puffMeeh, it is puff puff pass<br /><br />not puff puff puffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-45580727707086067122011-10-18T13:47:01.188-07:002011-10-18T13:47:01.188-07:00Kathy please don't confuse New Democrat with t...Kathy please don't confuse New Democrat with the facts, He/She is clearly a believer and no amount of facts will ever change Her/his mind.Tom Cliffordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-17202501092154710572011-10-18T11:57:43.894-07:002011-10-18T11:57:43.894-07:001. How many people in the USA? 312,446,990
2. Ho...1. How many people in the USA? 312,446,990<br />2. How many people in the World? 6,969,208,997 as of right now <a href="http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html" rel="nofollow">Census Clock.</a><br />3. How many poor Americans, 15.1% (2010), see <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/poverty_rate_income/index.htm" rel="nofollow">CNN Money, 9/13/11.</a><br />4. How many illegal immigrants? Estimated at 13 million, annual growth 500,000 (2004-2007), see <a href="http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=16859&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1007" rel="nofollow">Federation for American Immigration Reform.</a><br />5. Non-farm unemployment 9.1%, 9/2011, includes part-time employment variables <a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf" rel="nofollow">US Government.</a><br />6. How many Americans qualify for and are using food stamps? 15% <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/food-stamp-usage-highest_n_917038.html" rel="nofollow">Huffington Post, 10/18/11.</a><br />7. "Free" higher education for illegal immigrants? No! Same as everyone else they pay, borrow, or qualify for grants and scholarships. Santa Clara University (private) offers "free" education, room and board to 5 illegal immigrants annually. See <a href="http://www.usatodayeducate.com/staging/index.php/ccp/25-undocumented-immigrants-find-a-home-at-santa-clara-university" rel="nofollow">USA Today, 9/24/11.</a> <br /><br />Best I can tell, No reference Anon (10/17, 10:06pm) got 1 of 7 statements (6 statistical) approximately technically correct. As of 5/2011 (according to the Huffington 10/18/11 article) 21,581,234 households qualify for and are using food stamps (a big increase from 2008); and, that represents 45,753,078 Americans.Kathy Meehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000878422176050692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-54998536325920836582011-10-18T11:00:56.047-07:002011-10-18T11:00:56.047-07:00Oh don't worry. The 2 Billion aren't all ...Oh don't worry. The 2 Billion aren't all on this planet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-51115410190449092292011-10-17T23:36:04.107-07:002011-10-17T23:36:04.107-07:002 billion impoverished Americans? That's a lot...2 billion impoverished Americans? That's a lot!!Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-89966883761693143992011-10-17T22:47:05.662-07:002011-10-17T22:47:05.662-07:00jeez louise not another freakin' list with cut...jeez louise not another freakin' list with cutesy little plus signs from another freakin' master of some other universeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-40119330993682339922011-10-17T22:06:23.777-07:002011-10-17T22:06:23.777-07:001 million arrive illegally every year
+ 80,000 add...1 million arrive illegally every year<br />+ 80,000 additional legals (exclusive 2011 invite for Muslims only)<br />+ 2 billion impoverished Americans<br />+ 41 million on food stamps<br />+ 1 in 9 primary earners are unemployed <br />+ free "higher education" for illegals <br />Obama slogan 2012: Are You In(sane)?New Democratnoreply@blogger.com