tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post5281030501528806542..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Is the long awaited economic plan for Pacifica more taxes and fees, really?Fix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger164125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-28035616839380385322013-06-30T18:54:47.446-07:002013-06-30T18:54:47.446-07:00The guy with the multiple personality disorder who...The guy with the multiple personality disorder who moved to Texas four years ago is sure busy tonight. He's posting comments, and then pretends to be someone else in order to respond to his own comments.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-70508695605126013042013-06-30T18:48:34.089-07:002013-06-30T18:48:34.089-07:00Anonymous said...
"So do you people boycott c...Anonymous said...<br />"So do you people boycott companies cause the CEO's make too much money? "<br /><br />Yes and so do you. If the product is too expensive compared to value you don't buy it. <br /><br />Nobody is "blaming" employees. But we still need to reduce costs, wages, benefits. Not stick it to the people.<br /><br />Every city is cutting big. Why not us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-79984923984015724302013-06-30T18:33:00.875-07:002013-06-30T18:33:00.875-07:00"Pacifica's crime rate has always been pr..."Pacifica's crime rate has always been pretty low"<br /><br />There's nothing worth stealing here.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-78809150753640158342013-06-30T18:27:27.894-07:002013-06-30T18:27:27.894-07:00Cut union salaries when there are taxpayers out th...Cut union salaries when there are taxpayers out there to foot the bill? Oh the horror! The very idea offends council's closet hippie/yuppie sensibilities. I think even O'Neill will be dragged into the clown car on this one. Always a possibility that things could be a lot worse than we're being told. Can't wait for Council's CYA comments and their vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-74944145168483115032013-06-30T18:18:01.729-07:002013-06-30T18:18:01.729-07:00@436 Blame? Really? That's the problem. We w...@436 Blame? Really? That's the problem. We worry about blame instead of solving the problem. And that allows us to be unduly-influenced by those who present themselves as our saviors. Like our new, tax and spend council. <br /><br />The problem is we're spending too much on payroll and we expect no new revenue. Solutions seem to be, hit up the taxpayers again or really cut salaries. That's about it, isn't it. Realistically, those are the choices. Doesn't require a savior. Common sense and a backbone would do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-48117646939622349762013-06-30T18:11:14.856-07:002013-06-30T18:11:14.856-07:00Many a company has refused to lower prices to make...Many a company has refused to lower prices to make some money and ended up closing the doors.<br /><br />Try explaining to the City Council that the City must be run like a company. Lean and mean when times are bad and you can spend a little more when times are good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-10137590977379082062013-06-30T18:07:36.210-07:002013-06-30T18:07:36.210-07:00436 You've got a point. City Council did it a...436 You've got a point. City Council did it and this City Council can un-do it. As a taxpayer, I'd gladly relinquish the #1 spot on this Council's go-to list for cash. I'm there if you need me, but if you do your job, you won't have to ask as often.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-21682466074583804162013-06-30T17:57:45.525-07:002013-06-30T17:57:45.525-07:00416 Amen! Giving the city more tax dollars now wil...416 Amen! Giving the city more tax dollars now will only perpetuate the mess, not solve it. Don't open that door. And if any foolish councilmember promised no more cuts after those meager sham cuts, that's just too bad! <br /><br />Not blaming city employees for their pay. The contracts were entered into willingly by a string of councils, including this one. And I know with certainty they do not make more than employees of other SMC cities. Nonetheless, they are making more than this city can afford to pay. Our payroll costs have not declined. <br /><br />Just because it's public money being used, rather than shareholder's, shouldn't change the solution to the problem. No sacred cows. Cut wages across the board before you try to hold-up the taxpayers for more money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-25729432245194248792013-06-30T16:48:28.454-07:002013-06-30T16:48:28.454-07:00Our council not only "doesn't have the wi...Our council not only "doesn't have the will" to cut their friends and co-workers wages, they actually apologized when they did make a meager meaningless cut last time. I believe one of them promised there woul;d be no more cuts. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-63248602131638202782013-06-30T16:36:09.369-07:002013-06-30T16:36:09.369-07:00So do you people boycott companies cause the CEO&#...So do you people boycott companies cause the CEO's make too much money? <br /><br />Spin cycle blaming it on city employees. Who gave them these contracts. City Council.<br /><br />Throw blame where it belongs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-30314741840507170752013-06-30T16:35:46.447-07:002013-06-30T16:35:46.447-07:00"Union contracts are renegotiated every day&q..."Union contracts are renegotiated every day"<br /><br />Said by someone who has no clue what a contract is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-44680818279191014182013-06-30T16:16:02.214-07:002013-06-30T16:16:02.214-07:00City employee salaries cannot remain off limits in...City employee salaries cannot remain off limits in any discussion of this proposed tax. Salaries and benefits are much too large a part of the city budget to be ignored, for any reason. No real cuts have been made. We spend as much as ever. For fewer people. That's unsustainable for a city charged with providing services to nearly 40,000 residents. <br /><br />In cities where meaningful wage concessions have been won from the unions, and in the shell-game of union contracts a goal of 5% would be meaningful, the key ingredient has been the City Council's political will to really cut wages. A political will pushed along by critical budget woes and unrelenting public pressure. The City Councils of those cities wanted those significant wage cuts and went after them. They went after a level of cuts that would actually reduce their annual payroll expenditure, unlike Pacifica. Our City Council lacks the political will to do this. They just don't have it.<br /><br /> Until that changes, nothing changes. Giving them more tax dollars sure won't help. Don't do it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-42644334892603858432013-06-30T16:14:36.350-07:002013-06-30T16:14:36.350-07:00Chris Union contracts are renegotiated every day. ...Chris Union contracts are renegotiated every day. But we have to ask for real concessions in order to get them. Every year we hear "but they have contracts" and never do we really get tough. We haven't been asking enough. Those insignificant givebacks of some holidays etc don't amount to squat. <br /><br />"Millbrae employees helped shoulder the burden by accepting a 4.3 percent to 5 percent reduction in their salary."<br /><br />Pacifica's crime rate has always been pretty low. Even when or PD WAS really the lowest paid. Sure we need good people, but do we need 11 police Captains and Sergeants making from 160K to 190K in pay and benefits? We can not afford it.<br /><br />Too many chiefs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-77093799748802408442013-06-30T15:33:17.896-07:002013-06-30T15:33:17.896-07:00City Council has been moving towards more taxes fo...City Council has been moving towards more taxes for a couple years. Get the ducks in a row, play some games, spin some numbers, bring in the pros, and then go for it.<br /><br />Don't like their plan and I don't trust them. This tax will never end and it will grow. In 25+ years here, we've seen that taxes are about the only thing that does grow in Pacifica. <br /><br />Moving forward? Who doesn't want to? Of course, this tax isn't moving us forward. It's in lieu of the one thing that would move us forward, growth, and, as always, it's a poor substitute.<br /><br />Is Pacifica's collapse imminent? Of course not. I'm willing to roll the dice, vote no, and see where it takes us. Put this tax on the back burner and see if we can't do better. Voting no.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-23406941385445583272013-06-30T14:51:48.513-07:002013-06-30T14:51:48.513-07:00@708, 215 No, no envy here. The original statement...@708, 215 No, no envy here. The original statement is true, although clearly vulnerable to various interpretations. Overtime can change those wages that might be at the low end for similar jobs elsewhere, into very comfortable wages. Our old friend cafeteria cash has the same effect, although no extra work is performed. <br /><br />Declining headcounts often create overtime because some jobs must be done. For example, public safety, WWTP, public works. A realistic departmental budget includes some overtime.<br /><br />The nature of the work being performed determines whether an employee is exempt or non-exempt of the overtime laws. Most city workers are non-exempt and can earn overtime. True management or professional positions are exempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-6542248924259741982013-06-30T14:40:41.996-07:002013-06-30T14:40:41.996-07:00Chris
Do you honestly believe the "gang of n...Chris<br /><br />Do you honestly believe the "gang of no" will admit they cost the city millions of dollars in lost revenue over the last 30+ years.<br /><br />They are in full on spin cycle, never admiting to doing wrong.<br /><br />Do you believe they have any shame, morals or ethics?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-57679650489543243902013-06-30T14:33:29.714-07:002013-06-30T14:33:29.714-07:00"due to the fat they are unemployed." Fr..."due to the fat they are unemployed." Freudian slip much? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-79197786463148027342013-06-30T14:15:04.346-07:002013-06-30T14:15:04.346-07:00Anonymous said...
410 Most "very high paying...Anonymous said... <br />410 Most "very high paying corporate jobs" are exempt from the overtime laws. <br /> June 29, 2013 at 4:47 PM <br /><br />Well it's a corporate white collar job. A corporation owns the company vs being a municipal employee.<br /><br />That is the point I was trying to make.<br /><br />It really sounds like a lot of people who post are mad at the world due to the fat they are under employed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-28181344743121766882013-06-30T14:06:18.804-07:002013-06-30T14:06:18.804-07:00I keep reading "just cut wages by 1%, 5% or w...I keep reading "just cut wages by 1%, 5% or whatever" to solve the City's problems. Most city workers have Union contracts and have given back some benefits, taken pay cuts or given up cash payouts. The City cannot do any wage cutting without Union agreement.On these large dollar salaries; do you know if overtime is included or is this base pay? Did you also ever think the reason there is not major crime here is because the police are patroling?Chris Porternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-5766324282728111262013-06-30T14:05:31.800-07:002013-06-30T14:05:31.800-07:00More crime then you think. If you did your homewor...More crime then you think. If you did your homework and "where in the know" you would know what is going on.<br /><br />Police and Firemen are very well paid. But in reality who would do that job? Does your job make you make life or death decissions.<br /><br />Old Italian saying. Dip your tongue in your brain before you talk/post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-7763687781526579062013-06-30T12:06:47.291-07:002013-06-30T12:06:47.291-07:00It doesn't matter when their wages went up or ...It doesn't matter when their wages went up or for what reason. What is a fact is we can't afford to not cut wages. Weather we increase taxes or cut wages or cut services and positions someone's going to suffer. I see it as the least amount of people suffering the least would be to cut wages 5% for people making over 100K which will only effect 80 or so employees. You tax or cut services and you effect 1000's of people. <br /><br />Look at the police beat. Major crime here is some kids vandalizing some cars. Do we really need 10 officers making over $170,000? Sewer plant workers making $150,000+, Maintenence workers $120,000+. We just can't afford on a little beach town budget.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-13322185631167642492013-06-30T07:08:52.649-07:002013-06-30T07:08:52.649-07:00Anonymous said...
410 Most "very high paying...<br /><br /> Anonymous said... <br />410 Most "very high paying corporate jobs" are exempt from the overtime laws. <br /> June 29, 2013 at 4:47 PM <br /><br />Another one with paycheck envy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-58429647214735218032013-06-30T06:56:13.358-07:002013-06-30T06:56:13.358-07:00How do Ervin, O'Neill and Digre feel about bei...How do Ervin, O'Neill and Digre feel about being left in the dark?<br /><br />The same way Sue, Julie and Cal felt when Vreeland and "Sneaky" Pete where running the town.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-78691327467641284252013-06-30T06:55:01.255-07:002013-06-30T06:55:01.255-07:00Hutch said...
3 adults in our household counting ...Hutch said... <br />3 adults in our household counting our 20 year old.<br /><br />neighbors that I know: 2 adults, 2 adults, 2 adults 2 adults, 1 adult, 2 adults, 5 adults, 2 adults, 2 adults, 2 adults 1 adult, 2 adults, 2 adults, 3 adults, 2 adults, 2 adults.<br /><br />I think 2 is the norm. <br /> June 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM <br /><br />Hutch, it sounds like you live in an older more established neighborhood where older people(no offense) but retired people still live.<br /><br />If you look around the apartment complexes and condo complexes around town you will see more kids running around.<br /><br />My street had zero little kids for awhile. Grade School age. Now the court has 6 kids on the street. Not counting grandkids who come over after school.<br /> <br />The old families move and young families come into neighborhoods.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-33239771294209280952013-06-30T06:43:26.559-07:002013-06-30T06:43:26.559-07:002003 - 2004 property taxes $6.2 million
2003 - 200...2003 - 2004 property taxes $6.2 million<br />2003 - 2004 general fund revenue $18.8 million<br /> <br />2004 - 2005 property taxes $7.1 million<br />2004 - 2005 general fund revenue $24.3 million<br />2005 - 2006 property taxes $7.8 million<br />2005 - 2006 general fund revenues $25.2 million<br />2006 - 2007 property taxes $8.7 million<br />2006 - 2007 general fund revenues $25.4 million<br />2007 - 2008 property taxes $9.3 million<br />2007 - 2008 general fund revenues $29.5 million<br /> <br />2008 - 2009 property taxes $9.7 million<br />2008 - 2009 general fund revenues $25.6 million<br />2009 - 2010 property taxes $9.9 million<br />2009 - 2010 general fund revenues $24.9 million<br />2010 - 2011 property taxes $9.8 million<br />2010 - 2011 general fund revenues $25.2 million<br /> <br /> <br />but keep in mind why 2008 was special . . . that spike in the 07/08 budget was due to selling property ($800,000) and the $3 mil check from CCAG, which also masked the impact of losing the fire assessment. 08 also was when the Big Horn decision took away that $800,000/yr transfer from the sewer fund.<br /> <br />Bray's assertion that the property tax "boom" resulted in higher salaries is false. The city also managed costs by cutting staffing in police and fire almost 30% from 03-08. you know, during this mythical boom.<br /><br />btw sales tax in 03 was $1.3 mil, TOT $564K<br />sales tax is still about $1.3 mil, TOT about $900K<br /> <br />so in other words . . . the city council that Bray supported from 2002 - 2010 did not take advantage of the real eatste boom, did not develop a local economy, borrowed money left and right, refinanced the sewer loans to the hilt to afford being able to make the in lieu transfer to the general fund, cut staff by 30% . . . they also nearly tripled the sewer rates.<br /> <br />But let's blame staff for the problems.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com