tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post284774046766828197..comments2023-11-28T20:40:14.193-08:00Comments on Fix Pacifica: Pacifica Ocean Discovery Center Conceptual DesignFix Pacificahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14451072441256706977noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-9208552250359814742018-03-13T17:41:01.746-07:002018-03-13T17:41:01.746-07:00You completely underestimate Mike O'Neill. If ...You completely underestimate Mike O'Neill. If he had voted no, the rabid NOBIES would have gathered all of their wrinkled up flower children and ginned up another 20 years of obstructionist theater. Something they are very good at. <br />Surprise, surprise ... now after twenty years of research and development, they have 6 months to bring a concrete and financially viable project to the negotiation table. Something they have never had to do before and something that will fail under the incompetent mentor ship of Kaufman and Deirdre.<br />Thank you Mike for saving us from 19-1/2 more years of screwball, pot smoke torture.<br />If they were really serious, they should buy the Taco Bell eyesore and put it right on the calm water beach at Linda Mar which also has a pump house to draw water for the fishkies. Or they could put in on the expansive parking lot next to Peter Loeb's Rockaway Beach hovel and tap into the in/out flow of our state of the art sewage treatment plant. <br />Funny how Deirdre was emphatically opposed to the library and any development on Beach Blvd because of sea level rise and is now trying to pick our pockets to help her puppet masters build something on the very same Beach Blvd site. <br />Can you say ... Lying, Manipulative, HYPOCRITE!!!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-38991138246924798012018-03-13T15:02:15.155-07:002018-03-13T15:02:15.155-07:00Out of curiosity and naivete, why isn't the ar...Out of curiosity and naivete, why isn't the area west of Highway 1 and between Paloma and Clarendon zoned fully mixed commercial or special commercial?<br /><br />The current zoning map shows it zoned as largely R1, R2 & R3<br />Some parts are zoned C1, C2 & C3.<br /><br />Current Zoning Map:<br />http://www.cityofpacifica.org/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=13644<br /><br />See pages: 12 & 7<br /><br />With the current housing shortage being what it is, can we push for multi-storied Residential + Commercial in this area?<br /><br />Or why should we not?<br /><br />The Local Libertariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-32794228302089332422018-03-13T13:34:27.532-07:002018-03-13T13:34:27.532-07:00Explain to those of us who aren't "in the...<i>Explain to those of us who aren't "in the know" why a public bond would be needed for a privately-funded project?</i><br /><br />Because it's not going to be an entirely "privately-funded project," you nitwit. It will rely on a public bond for a substantial portion of its funding. My god, stop pretending you know what's going on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-2581631902507569932018-03-13T12:11:45.408-07:002018-03-13T12:11:45.408-07:00City staff was only one competent last night: look...City staff was only one competent last night: looking out for $900,000 yr revenue and a clear cut hotel proposal.Council wallows around in unfunded dream costing staff precious time and money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-83144113594261751822018-03-13T11:56:53.481-07:002018-03-13T11:56:53.481-07:00oneill fumbled. He was third vote to move ocean di...oneill fumbled. He was third vote to move ocean discovery forward. He does not get a pass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-76372230271961239432018-03-13T10:18:41.075-07:002018-03-13T10:18:41.075-07:00Explain to those of us who aren't "in the...Explain to those of us who aren't "in the know" why a public bond would be needed for a privately-funded project? Would a public bond be needed for a hotel? If not, why would it be needed for a hotel that included another privately-funded project? What do you know that nobody else does?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-38075672691844953002018-03-13T10:11:24.679-07:002018-03-13T10:11:24.679-07:00Last night's council meeting was one of the mo...Last night's council meeting was one of the most embarrassing displays of ineptitude and pandering to the loony faux-environmentalists I have seen in a long time. It at least rivals the antics of the orange idiot in the white house. Deirdre slipping on her own SLR vomit. Digre lost in space. Keener still incomprehensibly against everything and pre-scripting the city attorney.<br />Sue Vauterlaus was solid, sensible and practical. O'Neill was able to see through this bullshit show by the commie obstructionists. I'll give him a pass at approving the wasting of six more months before issuing an RFP for a revenue producing hotel. He knows these people are fraudulant and incompetent and triangulated that in six months, Deirdre's gang of "Nothing for Pacifica", won't accomplish anything and then we'll be free of their encumbrances on this valuable piece of property so we can finally move forward.<br />What a fucking joke Pacifica has become.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-72844156645980912792018-03-13T08:26:56.569-07:002018-03-13T08:26:56.569-07:009:40 you don't know what the hell you're t...<i>9:40 you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The proposal for ocean discovery center would not require city funding, let alone a bond measure. The whole idea is that it would be privately funded. If it required city funding, it's a total non-starter.</i><br /><br />You should stop posting about this. It's getting embarrassing. You're obviously not "in the know." A public bond will be needed though the size of it is unknown at this point. So yeah, it's a total non-starter. Glad you see that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-62967890557151163502018-03-13T05:32:35.722-07:002018-03-13T05:32:35.722-07:00We're gonna need bigger parking lots.We're gonna need bigger parking lots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-56271144078010262212018-03-12T23:10:48.967-07:002018-03-12T23:10:48.967-07:009:40 you don't know what the hell you're t...9:40 you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The proposal for ocean discovery center would not require city funding, let alone a bond measure. The whole idea is that it would be privately funded. If it required city funding, it's a total non-starter. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-10574468553018207562018-03-12T21:40:28.264-07:002018-03-12T21:40:28.264-07:00The peeps here saying the ocean discovery center w...The peeps here saying the ocean discovery center will be funded entirely by private sources don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. Go ask the people “in the know.” The project requires substantial city funding (aka a bond). Which is why it’s: a) never gonna happen, and; b) a totally hypocritical stance when it comes to sea level riseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-28534314575871967412018-03-12T20:58:46.873-07:002018-03-12T20:58:46.873-07:00At Anom 3:28
If private property owners, including...At Anom 3:28<br />If private property owners, including commercial, businesses and non-commercial, benefit the city via property taxes and all other local, TOT,taxes/f ees, all of which makes a substantial portion of the city's revenue. I would think the city would be very concerned about the sea walls and other protection needed to protect a billion + dollars of property. All above essentially, is payment in lieu of any indemnity. The city keeps gunning down their biggest revenue sources, time after time. In addition, there are other sources of funds made available by the County, State, Feds and organizations. Don't forget, we have a double edge sword running through here aka Hwy 1. I think all above mentioned parties have a great interest in keeping it well protected. Markusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-74648803045922571972018-03-12T17:31:39.813-07:002018-03-12T17:31:39.813-07:00Exactly my thoughts 12:52. When I look at my stree...Exactly my thoughts 12:52. When I look at my street, it looks like a slurry jig saw puzzle. Have never seen streets and roads in such disrepair. In addition, the many traffic safety issues, are not addressed. The city pretends there are no problems, when you bring it up to their attention. When you physically can't back out from your garage into the street, due to people's parked vehicles overhanging into your driveway, we definitely have a problem. I pointed out that just by red curbing a few feet of curb, would at least elliminate that problem. In the past couple of years, I had to call the cops 3 times because I couldn't back out from my garage. The last time this happened, the officer asked me to notify the city. I said I did and was told they didn't think there's a problem. The officer just laughed and said "no problem, really?". Sometimes, you just have to take care of the problem yourself. This city is broke and will continue on this path as long as any development that can bring in much needed tax revenues, is totally stifled by endless delays. So, while I think this city can't handle a project requiring "heavy lifting", we should at least start the process with the hotel now and hopefully the upcoming November election will replace the narrow mindset of the present council majority. Markusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-49450867006155233812018-03-12T17:01:29.102-07:002018-03-12T17:01:29.102-07:00We certainly have mismanagement in our city.
As I ...We certainly have mismanagement in our city.<br />As I looked above we had this project plan in about 20 years ago.<br />Our population is about 40,000 people and on average we have about 4 people in each family.<br /><br />So this will make about 10,000 houses in Pacifica.( guesstimate )<br /><br />If we had fund raised on average about $ 100 per house per year ( family of 4 ), it would make a $ 1,000,000 a year fund. <br /><br />So let's multiply it by 20 and we got $ 20,000,000 in our funds account. <br />How much do we have now ? Answer : Nothing.<br /><br />So do you guys seriously believe in this type of management ?<br /><br />This is another hoax to keep us busy for another 20 years or so.<br /><br />I am not saying people at our city council members are bad people and I have respect for them but they are not able to manage a business plan that benefits majority and are still stuck in their old believes.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-67148763052514998812018-03-12T16:02:06.601-07:002018-03-12T16:02:06.601-07:00@9:14
Steve, from the picture posted on riptide (...@9:14 <br />Steve, from the picture posted on riptide (link: http://www.pacificariptide.com/.a/6a00d8341c795b53ef01b8d2e16e7d970c-pi ) it seems to imply that PODC will be set aside and separate from the hotel.<br /><br />The width of the Beach Boulevard block between Montecito St and Brich Ln is 350 ft<br />The length between Beach Boulevard and Palmetto is also approx 350ft<br /><br />If you keep the length of 350 ft along Montecito St, then for 30000 sq ft area, it would be 85 ft on the beach side. It would be a narrow strip. They could still manage 90,000 sqft with 3 floors if they design it right (assuming 30K sqft is after the setbacks).<br /><br />But (IMO) they could approach a big hotel chain and propose the idea for funding and provide aquarium maintenance services in exchange.<br /><br />But realistically no big hotel chain is going to step up unless the entire block of area between Montecito and Clarendon are zoned high rise commercial as it will give them enough "play area" to make a decent profit. Sort of like what they did with Cannery Row in Monterrey.<br /><br />But again, does Pacifica have it in them? <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-15634860731842045292018-03-12T15:28:34.234-07:002018-03-12T15:28:34.234-07:00A library would be built with public (taxpayer) mo...A library would be built with public (taxpayer) money and public responsibility to protect it in the event of sea level rise or flooding. A hotel would be built with private money and so would an ocean discovery center. A hotel developer would have to indemnify the city from any responsibility for future protection of the site, such as building or maintaining a seawall, in order to get city approval. Same for an ocean discovery center. The risk would have to be all on them, not on us taxpayers as the library would be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-5141490017857412502018-03-12T15:02:52.574-07:002018-03-12T15:02:52.574-07:00All of these "faux-development" porn pic...All of these "faux-development" porn pictures just continue to travel around in an endless circle. NOBY's love it cuz it's just more head-fake headlines to continue their real agenda, NO CONSTRUCTION. This latest generation of starry eyed faux-enviros are just the latest group of minions with no memory and no common sense. We need a LEGITIMATE council who understands first and foremost that Pacifica is broken and the only thing that comes out of these faux-commissions is existential jeopardy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-85377964171157969282018-03-12T13:35:07.481-07:002018-03-12T13:35:07.481-07:00I also thought about combined effort between hotel...I also thought about combined effort between hotel development and PODC. Then I got hit with the reality of achieving such alliance between 2 opposite mindsets, will take several years, maybe never. Then you throw in the mix our disfunctional council majority of 3 and we get another decade or 2 of talking in circles. Don't think any legitimate developer will stick it out for any length of time, before cutting their losses and moving out. How many times have you seen this MO, in the past 3+ decades. I say, make it as simple as possible for the hotel bid and finally get something done for Pacificans.Markusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-63590179764211234932018-03-12T13:34:11.463-07:002018-03-12T13:34:11.463-07:00@12:52 -- its a rhetorical question. Intended to e...@12:52 -- its a rhetorical question. Intended to evoke a reaction rather than answer anything :-)<br /><br />Have you seen the movie "Big Wednesday"? Pacifica is like that lead character Matt Johnson (acted by Jan-Michel Vincent).<br /><br />Lot of potential. But all of it squandered.<br />The Local Libertariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-73650436865445689292018-03-12T12:52:33.847-07:002018-03-12T12:52:33.847-07:00I think it is a good proposal. But the execution d...<i>I think it is a good proposal. But the execution does require quite a bit of heavy lifting by the City. Is Pacifica capable?</i><br /><br />Look at the condition of the street in front of your house. Now, what does your heart tell you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-8376505928862523882018-03-12T12:51:02.340-07:002018-03-12T12:51:02.340-07:00So lemme get this straight.
Keener, Kaufman, St...So lemme get this straight. <br /><br />Keener, Kaufman, Stegink and the entire environmental "no on everything" crew were against construction of a library on the site because of impending sea level rise.<br /><br />But when you construct an ocean discovery center on the site, <i>closer to the ocean than the library would have been</i>, sea level rise is no longer a concern.<br /><br />Got it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-19310957420450176892018-03-12T11:37:02.917-07:002018-03-12T11:37:02.917-07:00beach front offices for Beach Coalition! More free...beach front offices for Beach Coalition! More free ponies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-74252671952622254822018-03-12T11:34:59.528-07:002018-03-12T11:34:59.528-07:00@ 9:56 -- I think $20-$50 million can be easily ra...@ 9:56 -- I think $20-$50 million can be easily raised. <br /><br />As for 300 cars a day plus buses and the resulting traffic, I agree. But then, the city could allow a parking lot structure etc. <br /><br />I think it is a good proposal. But the execution does require quite a bit of heavy lifting by the City. Is Pacifica capable?<br />The Local Libertariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-55296096772650437762018-03-12T09:56:21.112-07:002018-03-12T09:56:21.112-07:00ocean discovery is a loser. Need $20M for the buil...ocean discovery is a loser. Need $20M for the building.. Can't wait for neighborhood to wake up to 300 cars a DAY plus buses flooding streets. Another Pacifica fantasy..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481238059942383326.post-11999902588197606552018-03-12T09:14:31.276-07:002018-03-12T09:14:31.276-07:00"Just a thought, why split the PODC and the H..."Just a thought, why split the PODC and the Hotel as two different things?"<br /><br />Mitch mentioned the proposal was 80% hotel and 20% PODC.Steve Sinainoreply@blogger.com